Small framed revolvers

My 638 LOVES wadcutters. I shoot these plated ones from precision one ammunition. Like 125.00 for a 250 rd box. Little pricey but worth it

I've never reloaded handgun ammo. A few centuries ago, I had a guy I knew (a strange man, very odd, a psychological study he was) load me up some full wadcutter ammo. I had the .38 brass and didn't want see it go to waste. He brings me the product, I pay him, then he says, "I loaded them a bit warm", while smiling like some strange man (see sentence above, parenthetical).

Yea and verily he did indeed load them warm ... hot :evil: even. He told me the amount and type of powder he used -- uh oh :(. They leaded the barrel of a snub I had in less than 50 rounds. :mad:

Loading warm using lead bullets?, maybe even "hard lead", then make sure the bullets have gas-checks or are plated.:thumbup:
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These are new factory rounds and the slug is copper plated. After 125 rds super easy clean up. I don’t want to clean lead fouling. This was easy hoppe 9 job
 
I wouldn’t mind some vintage wood on my king cobra! Iirc the heretts with this pattern are “ shooting ace” panels? Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me can verify that. Looks great! I wish I had a newer cobra 2 inch with the vintage panels! I think colt made a small run a couple years ago
I recently found Herretts walnut grips for a couple of Ruger Speed Sixes and noticed many for Colts also listed on ebay. Smooth, diamond checkered, skip checkered(like the Colts in post 16). A lot of "Shooting Star" versions. Mine were bought for snubs that had exposed back straps and fit perfectly.
 
I've never reloaded handgun ammo. A few centuries ago, I had a guy I knew (a strange man, very odd, a psychological study he was) load me up some full wadcutter ammo. I had the .38 brass and didn't want see it go to waste. He brings me the product, I pay him, then he says, "I loaded them a bit warm", while smiling like some strange man (see sentence above, parenthetical).


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After that introduction I think you’re a brave man for loading them and pulling the trigger.
 
Just placed an order for a new Charter Arms Off Duty, the newer concealed-hammer version. I've done a bit of research comparing it to the 642, and I believe I will be satisfied. I really don't know why I'm buying it, but it will be my fifth Charter Arms, and the only one newer than the one I bought the day I got my badge back in 1987 (the oldest is from 1966, my birth year, and once belonged to my dad.)

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I recently had the opportunity to handle a few new offerings from S&W and my Charter has a better trigger, better fit and better finish. Mine has been 100% reliable with everything I've thrown at it and I trust it entirely. I like mine a lot and im sure you will too.
 
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I have Pachmayrs on my DS '72 and Charter Arms Bulldog, on my DS '66 a Tyler T-Grip (yes!). Plenty comfortable, gives it a retro look.
Skeeter Skelton wrote that his favorite 44 Special load of a 240 SWC over 7.5 grains of Unique was too much for the Bulldog.
 
For those that own a Taurus small frame revolver that do not like the rubber grips they come with have hope. The newer 856, 942, and 327 all share the same frame as the older 85, 94, and 941. So grips are interchangeable between all of them. I don't like the factory rubber grips and replaced them with wood grips for the older Model 85.
 
I like small framed revolvers
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638, 36 and 442. I got the 638 first and was determined to master its use and that takes a lot of shooting. Fortunately I reload so I figured out a reduced power load to use with 125-130 grain bullets. Being able to shoot 75 to 100 rounds in a range session without beating up my hand helped me get there


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I've had my 642 for around 10 years now. I hate shooting it. Just don't like it. But, I still have it and 9 x out of 10 It's the gun I will carry in my pocket when I go out and next to my bed every night. Go figure. I don't know. IMG_20210110_174544.jpg
 
Indeed! Sometimes i wonder if Moses actually had an 11th commandment coming off the mountain, but he kept it a secret because he didn't understand it. ...."Thou shall not shoot anyone else's handloads". o_O

And that's not the worst story of mine. I've blown out a revolver's forcing cone. I've jammed the action of an Egyptian automatic. In youth, I took way too many chances. I'm kind'a sort'a still all here. Lotta damage. Ringing ears. Cane. Bridge abutments are not flexible.

In youth, once tried-out a fellow's .44 mag single action. "Just got this off my brother," he tells me. I unload it. Primers told me these were reloads. Turns out I was being used as his "crash test dummy". I think he was afraid to shoot it.

As to small frame revolvers, I'd like to fire a Charter Arms .44 special. I doubt I'd break anything in my hand with this revolver and I doubt I'd want to buy one. Yet, I think that they're a neat concept. At least that puppy has a heavy bullet.

Not with any revolvers, but I've ruined one wrist and have broken fingers (count?). One finger just flops around -- "boxer break". Silly me.
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These may not be ideal guns for almost any use. There are lighter guns with greater capacity for carry. There are more pleasant guns to shoot at the range. However, once you've put in the time to shoot them well (I have) they are incredibly rewarding guns to shoot, they are fun to shoot (well, the steel framed ones are), the lightweight versions may pocket carry better than any other gun (and certainly better than any near their capability), and they are probably the most comfortable IWB guns there are.

Somehow over a 20 year period I've moved from hating them, to not really liking them but having a couple of them for their advantages for some niche uses, to now, I am a hardcore member of the small framed snub fan club.

Yep.

Bought a Taurus 605 15 years ago, on a whim. I still have it, and it probably has the most carry time of anything I've had since. It shoots straight, has a nice trigger, and has never given me trougle. At one time I thought I'd replace ("upgrade") the 605 with a Ruger SP101 at some point. Now, I'm thinking not.

Had a couple Charter Undercovers sequentially in the 2013-5 time range. They didn't work out, replaced by a S&W 642. And a couple years ago I picked up a .38 Ruger LCRx.

There's now a Charter Bulldog and Taurus 856 Defender in the mix as well, a little bit bigger than what would count as a "snubby." Not really pocketable.

I'm sure the 442 will be just as unpleasant as ever at the range

Stock grips on the 442/642 are "not to my liking". Shooting is painful with normal ammunition. First order of business when I get a new snub, is finding a better set of stocks. The LCR is the only exception to this -- the factory Hogue is just fine for me.

The S&W and Taurus (and the Undercovers), shared speedloaders, and (sometimes) holsters, which is nice. The LCR is an optimized design, and (alas) doesn't work with the nice Safariland speedloaders.
 
I'm reawakening this thread because I am seriously considering a 9mm snub and adding to my .38s and .357s.

I'm thinking 9mm this time due to the higher power vs. .38spl yet lower recoil vs. .357mag. Though, I may get another .357mag snub instead (go back to my snub "roots" and get a 605 or look for a nice used S&W model 60). I'm a little undecided between the two options, thus in the end I'll likely do both (though likely a few weeks to a few months apart). I love 9mm, and it is cheaper to shoot than any revolver caliber. However, the recoil of 9mm out of a snub is supposed to be pretty stout and I can get a little more power out of a .357mag (and I could go to 110gr or reduced recoil/small frame revolver loads to cut the recoil to be closer to 9mm out of snub). As for the 9mm being cheaper, so is .22lr and I could always do that for more practice. 9mm out of a snub will recoil enough that I doubt I'll shoot more than a box per range session and I can certainly afford a box or two of .38spl every couple weeks and a box or two of .357mag every month, so 9mm won't really be more practice than .38 or .357mag. The biggest advantage would be that I stock up more on 9mm. There have been times I haven't taken my .38 or .357mag revolvers to the range because I was down to only a few boxes and wanted to keep some around for self defense, while I had a case or more of 9mm and took hundreds of rounds with me to the range. I recently (a few months ago now) bought a 9mm 1911 for a similar reason (convenience), and it would be nice to be able to have a range trip with a CCW 9mm auto, a full sized 9mm, a 1911 and a snub or two and despite all that variety in gun type, only have to bring a bunch of 9mm ammo with me. Compared to the .22, yes I could shoot a 2" .22 snub all day without breaking the bank (or my hand) but the 9mm would be useful to add to my CCW snubs while the .22 would just be a range "toy".

I'm also thinking another S&W J-frame or two (the 60 and 36) and a steel framed Taurus 856CH (possibly replacing my 85CH) is in the cards. Heck, with the slightly lighter weight of a S&W J-frame and slightly smaller dimensions vs. the Taurus, I may find myself pocket carrying the steel S&W 36 or 60 where I don't really do that with the Taurus 85CH.
 
After that introduction I think you’re a brave man for loading them and pulling the trigger.
Plus one...thou shalt not shoot other's reloads....Moses

As to snubs, I've given three 637's away to family and close friends...all women folk. Spent time with them on our home range, and made the purse or pocket holsters to go with them. Those ladies are not to be trifled with....loads, you ask? .38 Special wadcutter for two of them and .38 Speer Gold Dot 135's for the other....

Here's a pair of mine, one for practice and one for purpose....M-63 & M-60.

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I've always had a soft spot for snubs. Back in the eighties, Taurus ran this ad in most of the popular gunrags.

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It warped me, for some reason - my love of pipe smoking and English mystery novels (and need for glasses with which to read them!) was far in the future - but when an 85CH appeared in the display case I snapped it up and carried it in my motorcycle jacket for countless miles.

Eventually I decided a slightly bigger - and much more powerful - revolver was a better plan, so a Model 19 in .357 took over and has been my companion ever since. I've come oh-so-close to buying a first generation Detective Special on many occasions, but it would be purely a range toy and has always been beaten out by something I wanted slightly more. Someday...

Despite the fact that I honestly hate the vicious little bastards, my most recent gun purchase was a 340PD. I've been doing a lot of long-distance trail running lately, and nostalgia be damned: I just can't think of a better gun to pop into a running vest in mountain lion country.

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Thirty years I carried that as a bug. Ankle. Pocket. Body armor. Only gun I own that I was afraid I’d wear out, from the outside in.

I can hit with it. I just hate shooting it. It hurts. I loaded it with 158 semi wadcutters. No +P.

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I carry this one a lot since I retired. Hiking in the desert. Running around my fairly small town. Loaded with 158 GR Hardcast .357 Magnum, it’s shootable. One extra speedloader of magnum Hollowpoints if I’m in an area with a lot of people. And one speedloader full of rat shot.
 
Longtime Centennial fan; double action is the way to go for defense. Boot grips, or Tyler Ts, help mitigate recoil, but I like a bicycle glove for long range sessions...that leaves the gun small, and smooth, for actual carry.
Two snakeshot/3 140 Fiocchi FMJs (1100'sec in a snub) go in the 340SC as a woodswalker. Full charge wadcutters (loaded to the level of the old 158 RNL loads) make good carry loads. Those magnum loads are no damned fun at all to shoot; the Full Charge wadcutters are fine. Someone is now loading them commercially.
Nine millimeter snubs are kind of a funny deal; 115s have really snappy recoil in a 940, but 147s aren't as bad. If I had been designing the 940, I would have put it in the slightly larger, magnum J frame.
Learn to shoot double action with a good .22 revo. And don't be afraid to have a good gunsmith slick up your Smiths.
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My in the vest BUG at work and pocket carry on mountainous fitness hikes/urban rucks. Recent replacement to my battered 340 M&P that will be used for practice to keep the new one from seeing a lot of rounds.

I actually shoot the little buggers pretty well.

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I'm thinking 9mm this time due to the higher power vs. .38spl yet lower recoil vs. .357mag.


Why not just use Remington 125 grain medium velocity Golden Sabers (1220 fps/4 inch)? Or something like Winchester 110’s (1295 fps/4 inch)?
 
Why not just use Remington 125 grain medium velocity Golden Sabers (1220 fps/4 inch)? Or something like Winchester 110’s (1295 fps/4 inch)?

As I mention in the rest of the post you quoted, it isn't totally unlikely. A 9mm revolver will be steel framed, and 9mm snubs do have a reputation for some kick. So, by going with lighter (110gr and 125gr) and/or low recoil snub loads the recoil in a .357mag likely wouldn't be much greater than in 9mm, and the steel magnum (to tame the recoil) wouldn't be any heavier on the belt than the steel 9mm snub. There is also a little bit of tradition going on, revolver guys tend to be traditionalists, and .357mag is a traditional revolver caliber and 9mm is not. Finally, psychologically, it seems odd to in some ways to go 9mm in a revolver, it is an auto caliber and I can get a 9mm semiauto in roughly the size and weight of a 9mm snub that can carry 15 rounds of 9mm (especially if I go 3" for the snub) and easily 10-12 rounds instead of the 5 rounds of 9mm of the snub.

As for cheaper practice, 9mm in a snub recoils close enough to .357mag (especially the 110 and 125gr variations of .357) that I probably wouldn't shoot more than a box at a time anyway. I could also add a .22lr snub and get a lot of very cheap practice when I didn't feel like reloading .38 and .357 (while I do reload revolver calibers, I don't particularly enjoy reloading so I don't do it often), and a few boxes of .22lr wouldn't take much room in my range bag (countering the advantage of a one caliber range trip).

There are several positives for the 9mm as well. Cheaper and easier to find ammo (recently there has been a lot more 9mm available than .38 or .357mag). Variety is nice, and buying (and sometimes carrying) a 9mm snub doesn't mean my .38s will be retired, I'll never load another magnum in my .357s or that I won't also buy a 2" .357mag snub. I like 9mm, I've recently added a 9mm 1911 (even though 1911s should be .45ACP, .38 Super or 10mm IMO), I simply want a 9mm version of each style of gun I like to shoot. Having a bit more oomph (in both the recoil and power departments) vs. a .38 but less recoil than the magnums may make it the happy medium. Historically, 9mm JHPs have been able to more reliably expand than .38spl, and sometimes better than .357mag out of a short barrel. Over the last decade or so with the advances in 9mm hollow point development that hasn't seen the same effort in the revolver calibers, 9mm may actually be the better choice these days (especially with the lighter recoil) vs. even a .357mag out of a snub.

Now that I've decided I like snubs and no longer just have them for the utility of one or two, I'll likely add a few and not just one (I am a bit of a collector type in almost anything). I will eventually have a 2" .357mag snub again (or several), a 9mm (2 if I get both a 2" and 3"), and a .22lr (plus a .22magnum). In some ways that does make it harder to decide. I see the advantages in all of them (.22, 9mm, magnums), but I'm not likely to buy 2 or 3 at a time. So, which do I get first? Maybe a 9mm since I've never had one and I do have a 3" .357mag snub, but not having a 2" .357mag snub, if you are a snub guy, is a pretty big hole in the collection.*


*Note: I do have both a 2" and 3" Rossi 461 (6 shot, .357mag snubs), but I don't trust them (especially the 2") since the 2" has had cylinder binding issues when shooting magnum rounds a few times in the past. It has likely been 5 or 6 years since I've shot them, and I definitely wouldn't ever trust them as carry or home defense guns. So, I don't really count them (and I will be putting them on consignment as soon as I get around to going to the gun shop with the lowest consignment commission in the area, but it is about an hour away with limited hours so it is tough finding the time).
 
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