So where does this fit? ("Knockout Game")
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RetiredUSNChief
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I take it, then, that you've never been sucker punched?
The whole point of a sucker punch is to punch the victim when they least expect it. Sucker punches, by definition, are NOT "easy to spot and avoid, or keep an eye on".
You do your best for situational awareness, to be sure, regardless.
I take it, then, that you've never been sucker punched?
The whole point of a sucker punch is to punch the victim when they least expect it. Sucker punches, by definition, are NOT "easy to spot and avoid, or keep an eye on".
You do your best for situational awareness, to be sure, regardless.
Sure I have but that was in middle school.
These days I keep an eye on and avoid the people I see playing this game.
It really is not hard to keep from being a victim of this game; keep away
from the folks that play it and you'll be OK. If you find yourself around the
people that play this game keep an eye on them, they will see that you are alert and go pick on someone else.
I've been doing it for years.
RetiredUSNChief
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As I said...situational awareness.
But by the same token, it's not that difficult to sucker punch someone when they don't expect it by using a variety of tactics, if someone really wants to do so. You can't be on the level of alert required to prevent this 100% of the time...at best, you simply make yourself a less desirable target for those who might attempt it.
As I said...situational awareness.
But by the same token, it's not that difficult to sucker punch someone when they don't expect it by using a variety of tactics, if someone really wants to do so. You can't be on the level of alert required to prevent this 100% of the time...at best, you simply make yourself a less desirable target for those who might attempt it.
I think we agree that situational awareness is key but I still believe I can keep
myself 100% safe from being a victim of this game by just keeping away from
the people who play this game.
I've got no problem going out of my way to keep my distance from them.
RetiredUSNChief
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Amen!
Averageman
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I don't think we need uniforms for the players of "The Knock Out Game."
From what I have seen on various sites, they pretty much self identify, it's up to you to be aware and to watch your 6.
I'm very glad to see others are becoming aware and some folks are now "playing back."
From what I have seen on various sites, they pretty much self identify, it's up to you to be aware and to watch your 6.
I'm very glad to see others are becoming aware and some folks are now "playing back."
I'm not sure why anyone would occlude that someone whose objective is to carry out a surprise hit-and-run attack on someone chosen at random would be "easy to identify" before the fact.
In an urban setting of the kind in which these attacks have been occurring, dozens of people routinely move around or stand at street crossings and bus stops. Someone points out the intended victim, and someone else closes quickly and unexpectedly and strikes.
Maybe, just maybe, a furtive glance, if noticed, will give a victim forewarning, or perhaps awareness that one is being photographed might give an indication of danger. But the fact that we can identify a perp on a video in which we already know that someone will be attacked does not indicate to me that the attackers "self identify" themselves in advance.
What am I missing?
In an urban setting of the kind in which these attacks have been occurring, dozens of people routinely move around or stand at street crossings and bus stops. Someone points out the intended victim, and someone else closes quickly and unexpectedly and strikes.
Maybe, just maybe, a furtive glance, if noticed, will give a victim forewarning, or perhaps awareness that one is being photographed might give an indication of danger. But the fact that we can identify a perp on a video in which we already know that someone will be attacked does not indicate to me that the attackers "self identify" themselves in advance.
What am I missing?
Averageman
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Maybe, just maybe, a furtive glance, if noticed, will give a victim forewarning, or perhaps awareness that one is being photographed might give an indication of danger. But the fact that we can identify a perp on a video in which we already know that someone will be attacked does not indicate to me that the attackers "self identify" themselves in advance.
What am I missing?
Okay, just an observation or two.
Ages seem to start @13 and up to early 20's. Size rather than age may be a better indicator.
Predominatly a group no smaller than 3.
Look for a phone being held away from one of the group as if they are setting up something on a smart phone.
Mostly Males in the group.
Casual attire, no one appears dressed for work or church anyway.
Look for one single outside the group, this will most likely be the attacker.
Watch the movement of the group and the singles outside the group.
Observe the movement are they in sync?
If you move and the group and/or outlayer(s) adjust to you, you're being tracked. It's time to make a bold adjustment.
Sorry I had to come back and take another look at this again.
Seems more urban and in area's that funnel. As an example sidewalk with parked cars on one side and store front on the other.
Alleyways such as the attack on the Teacher.
Some, more than a few seem to be approached ambushed from the rear.
I would say if you scan and understand what you are looking at, listen and remain observant there are a lot of ways you can totally avoid allowing this to happen to you.
What am I missing?
Okay, just an observation or two.
Ages seem to start @13 and up to early 20's. Size rather than age may be a better indicator.
Predominatly a group no smaller than 3.
Look for a phone being held away from one of the group as if they are setting up something on a smart phone.
Mostly Males in the group.
Casual attire, no one appears dressed for work or church anyway.
Look for one single outside the group, this will most likely be the attacker.
Watch the movement of the group and the singles outside the group.
Observe the movement are they in sync?
If you move and the group and/or outlayer(s) adjust to you, you're being tracked. It's time to make a bold adjustment.
Sorry I had to come back and take another look at this again.
Seems more urban and in area's that funnel. As an example sidewalk with parked cars on one side and store front on the other.
Alleyways such as the attack on the Teacher.
Some, more than a few seem to be approached ambushed from the rear.
I would say if you scan and understand what you are looking at, listen and remain observant there are a lot of ways you can totally avoid allowing this to happen to you.
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Averageman lists great points.
When you are out and about keep an eye out for the folks Averageman described, they are a specific type of person and are easy to spot if you are looking for them.
The larger the group the more the danger.
Don't stand at the edge of the curb when waiting for the cross walk signal. People pack in tight there and you don't see who has come up behind you. Stand several feet back and look around at who is walking up, move if you need to and keep yourself out of the herd. When you see the people that like to play this game never let them be behind you.
If you see them while walking down the sidewalk and they are coming towards you, put distance between you and them, step off the sidewalk like you are looking for something and let them pass, go in a shop, cross the street, etc.
The greatest danger is when they come up from behind. From the videos and victim interviews you'll see they like to hit someone from behind. If you find yourself in an area where the people who play this game are found you should be looking back over your shoulder every couple minutes.
If you look back and see them behind you cross the street, step between the bumpers of parked cars and face them, go into a shop and watch for them through the front window, pretty much do anything so that they are no longer behind you.
When you look at them look at them. You want them to know you see them and they are not sneaking up on anyone; you don't want to stare them down with your best Clint Eastwood Squint but they need to know you see them and think they may be up to no good. They don't want people to know they are there; they want to come up on the guy who has his eyes down and is just trying to mind his own business and get where ever he is going.
When they know you are aware of them and are facing them they will go right past, probably say something funny to his friend and they will all have a great laugh as they keep on waking.
It's sad but if you are in places where these people are to be found you need to constantly look over your shoulder for them.
These attacks are not as random as they look. They are out bored wandering around looking for some fun and this is what they do for fun. They want to find someone alone, none too big, who is paying them no attention and is an easy target. Just because they don't know the victim and do not rob them does not mean it is random at all.
When you are out and about keep an eye out for the folks Averageman described, they are a specific type of person and are easy to spot if you are looking for them.
The larger the group the more the danger.
Don't stand at the edge of the curb when waiting for the cross walk signal. People pack in tight there and you don't see who has come up behind you. Stand several feet back and look around at who is walking up, move if you need to and keep yourself out of the herd. When you see the people that like to play this game never let them be behind you.
If you see them while walking down the sidewalk and they are coming towards you, put distance between you and them, step off the sidewalk like you are looking for something and let them pass, go in a shop, cross the street, etc.
The greatest danger is when they come up from behind. From the videos and victim interviews you'll see they like to hit someone from behind. If you find yourself in an area where the people who play this game are found you should be looking back over your shoulder every couple minutes.
If you look back and see them behind you cross the street, step between the bumpers of parked cars and face them, go into a shop and watch for them through the front window, pretty much do anything so that they are no longer behind you.
When you look at them look at them. You want them to know you see them and they are not sneaking up on anyone; you don't want to stare them down with your best Clint Eastwood Squint but they need to know you see them and think they may be up to no good. They don't want people to know they are there; they want to come up on the guy who has his eyes down and is just trying to mind his own business and get where ever he is going.
When they know you are aware of them and are facing them they will go right past, probably say something funny to his friend and they will all have a great laugh as they keep on waking.
It's sad but if you are in places where these people are to be found you need to constantly look over your shoulder for them.
These attacks are not as random as they look. They are out bored wandering around looking for some fun and this is what they do for fun. They want to find someone alone, none too big, who is paying them no attention and is an easy target. Just because they don't know the victim and do not rob them does not mean it is random at all.
That probably describes up to one third or half of the persons in any urban setting at rush hour or after school.
It also assumes that you will be able to identify, from among a large number of people milling around or moving in four different directions within an area, members of a "group." If they have any hope of a surprise attack, they will no doubt have figured out how to lose themselves among a crowd, a la guerrilla fighters, terrorists, purse snatchers, and pickpockets, before and after striking. An age old tactic, from Casablanca to Chicago, from Manila to Miami, and from old Saigon to St. Louis.
There are no "groups" to watch unless you live there.
I am not convinced.
Look, let's not try to pick this turd up by the clean end.
Google Polar Bear Hunting, polarbearing, and read a couple articles on the who, where and why.
It has different names in different cities here in the east but it's the same ol same ol.
They really are that easy to spot, Kleanbore.
I think you are giving them way too much credit on the thinking/planning of this stuff.
Pickpockets, purse snatchers, terrorists etc. are thinking and planning; these guys are just punk kids with a problem with people they don't like and are not scared of getting caught.
They know they are going to get away with this crap, what sort of description do police have to work with? "It was a couple of ***** teens, officer."
Like you said, that describes a whole lot of the people walking around at that time of day, or night.
Remember those teens who shot the Australian athlete Chris Lane "Just for fun" a couple of months back? Guess what one had been doing with his friends the week before?
"knocking out woods" AKA playing the knock out game.
Do you know what a "wood" is? It's from the prison slang name Peckerwood. A Peckerwood is a white guy that will fight to protect himself in jail.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/oklahoma-thug-shooter-tweeted-about-knocking-out-peckerwoods-after-zimmerman-verdict/
When you understand whom it is that is doing this, what their motivation is and where they hang out
it is actually pretty easy to spot them and stay clear of them.
You are not just looking for the "group" of them, they don't mind sucker punching a person from behind when it's one-on-one.
You guys have seen the video of the lady walking past the ATM?
She got knocked out by only one of them, from behind, of course.
I have been looking for a way to break it down without going un-politically correct but you
just can't talk about what they are doing, why and whom they target without the race issue coming up.
Even police departments have had to, reluctantly, look at the race motivation in these attacks.
Google, read and understand the whom and why and you'll find plenty of articles explaining it; adjust your behavior accordingly...
I don't believe you can develop good defensive tactics without understanding just what the threat is.
Why they want to attack you is part of understanding the threat and from whom it is coming.
It sucks but there it is...
How does that line go? "We didn't start the fire..." We do have to deal with the flames though.
Google Polar Bear Hunting, polarbearing, and read a couple articles on the who, where and why.
It has different names in different cities here in the east but it's the same ol same ol.
They really are that easy to spot, Kleanbore.
I think you are giving them way too much credit on the thinking/planning of this stuff.
Pickpockets, purse snatchers, terrorists etc. are thinking and planning; these guys are just punk kids with a problem with people they don't like and are not scared of getting caught.
They know they are going to get away with this crap, what sort of description do police have to work with? "It was a couple of ***** teens, officer."
Like you said, that describes a whole lot of the people walking around at that time of day, or night.
Remember those teens who shot the Australian athlete Chris Lane "Just for fun" a couple of months back? Guess what one had been doing with his friends the week before?
"knocking out woods" AKA playing the knock out game.
Do you know what a "wood" is? It's from the prison slang name Peckerwood. A Peckerwood is a white guy that will fight to protect himself in jail.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/oklahoma-thug-shooter-tweeted-about-knocking-out-peckerwoods-after-zimmerman-verdict/
When you understand whom it is that is doing this, what their motivation is and where they hang out
it is actually pretty easy to spot them and stay clear of them.
You are not just looking for the "group" of them, they don't mind sucker punching a person from behind when it's one-on-one.
You guys have seen the video of the lady walking past the ATM?
She got knocked out by only one of them, from behind, of course.
I have been looking for a way to break it down without going un-politically correct but you
just can't talk about what they are doing, why and whom they target without the race issue coming up.
Even police departments have had to, reluctantly, look at the race motivation in these attacks.
Google, read and understand the whom and why and you'll find plenty of articles explaining it; adjust your behavior accordingly...
I don't believe you can develop good defensive tactics without understanding just what the threat is.
Why they want to attack you is part of understanding the threat and from whom it is coming.
It sucks but there it is...
How does that line go? "We didn't start the fire..." We do have to deal with the flames though.
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Yup... Unfortunately if you're Asian or Caucasian they seem to be picking you out. Male or female. Be careful
Sometimes knowing who the target is can help you more than being able to pinpoint the attacker...
Sometimes knowing who the target is can help you more than being able to pinpoint the attacker...
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You're right.
It's sad but the actions of the many whom are playing the knock out game have made it so that all young blacks are suspect.
If you are around young blacks and don't want to catch a fist in the back of the head you had better watch your back.
I bet Mr. King would smack the heck out of this generation of black kids...
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RetiredUSNChief
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Nope.
My money is that he'd start with their leaders and hold THEM accountable.
He was not only a man of principle, he believed in personal accountability and liability for one's own actions. This is the foundation for all rights and law & order.
Walk the walk, in other words.
Mike1234567
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Yep... and it's Dr. King, not Mr.
I'm afraid that I do not see that as useful advice at all.
If you are in an urban environment among people who are moving about, it behooves you to be very aware of what is going on. However, the ethnic makeup of the population in downtown areas is what it is, and the fact that some of the practitioners of this "game" have certain characteristics does not make potential violent criminal actors stand out in the crowd.
Mike1234567
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I watch my six all the time. I'm not sure why except that maybe I'm paranoid. Really though, I WON'T be taken advantage of if I can help it. I can't walk worth a darn anymore but my arms still have some strength... my right arm anyway.
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These guys don't live only in urban centers.
It's the people themselves, not where you find them.
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