Straw purchase?

[Geronimo45]

I think straw purchase laws are more of a way to nail the people who sell guns to felons than anything else.

 

[oops!]

Get ready, here it comes,,,,,,,,,,,,

A minor has no possessions, a minor has no money etc.

A minor in it's parents custody may be permitted to work and earn wages, to accept gifts etc. All of which fall under the discretion of the parents.

If the parent wishes to appropriate the funds and purchase a firearm the purchase is legal. The parent is liable for the safe and legal use of the firearm including the use by the minor.

Parents, for lack of a better phrase, own children, lock stock and barrel, for 18 years.

Under certain circumstances a minor may be emancipated by a court, different subject altogether.

 

[gezzer]

Opps, Nice post, thanks

 

[HankB]

So regardless of what Glock22 does, his official position in THIS thread should be "No, I won't take my son's money and buy him a gun, instead I'll buy him one as a gift and let him spend his money on something else."

That should be his story and he should stick to it. So should his son.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

A minor has no possessions, a minor has no money etc.

Wanna bet? A minor can do lots of things such as visit a doctor, buy birth control pills, have an abortion (depending on state), etc., without ever informing their parents. Who owns the pills or the fetus? Mom & Dad? Nope. When a minor has a baby, who makes the decisions regarding the newborn? Mom & Dad? Nope.

 

[GW]

The question on the 4473 is; "Are you the actual purchaser of the firearm?"

This question has baffled me since I first saw it.
As I am the one laying the money down on the table (regardless of where the money came from) then I am the actual purchaser. What happens to the firearm after I walk out the door with it is another issue but as I fill out the form and sign it etc, it is not a lie. It is not perjury.
Maybe they should change the question or better still drop the stupid question completely.

 

[razorburn]

I would do it for sure, if it's someone like a son. I'm only 21 so I obviously don't have a son. But if I did, of course I'm not going to sweat it. I think it ranks on the same scale as some of those crazy obscure laws in many town charters, like not being able to use toilet paper in your house after 11 pm. Yeah, it's technically a law, but it's unenforcable. It can't be proven it's not your gun, since it's going to be in your house. It'd also be extremely hard to prove it's not your money. It is impossible for you to be convicted in this case, so who cares?

 

[joab]

it doesnt matter where the money comes from, it matters where the gun goes. if its your son, in your house then sense says its your gun irregardless of what room its stored in

You have it backwards, where the money comes from is what determines a straw purchase

According to Sara Brady its not, at least when its her and for her son.

It was never a question of whether Sarah used her money or her kids

The straw purchase is when you buy a gun on behalf of someone who cannot or will not buy it for himself and your intent is to circumvent the law.

No NO NO

saxonpig is 100% correct!

It is NOT illegal to buy a firearm as a gift for a person that is not prohibited by law from owning or possessing a firearm. Period.

A straw purchase has nothing to with buying a gift for a qualified or unqualified person, it has only to do with whose money you use

Where the money comes from doesn't make any difference.

Unless you are trying to determine if it is a straw purchase

Nobody would ever know the source of the money and I think the ATF has better things to do than question the source of the money when a gun is purchased by a father for his son. Yes, in a very, very strict technical sense it would be illegal. But who would know?

But that wasn't the question posed

This question has baffled me since I first saw it.

There are instructions next to the question which lead you to the back of the form to a section that fully explains the question and what a straw purchase is.

Read that federal form that you sign each and every time you buy a firearm.
Would you sign any other federal form without reading it?

 

[Zundfolge]

It baffles me how over complicated people make this whole Straw Purchase thing ... its a very simple concept. So simple in fact that the ATF has produced a cheezy cartoon to explain it.


http://www.atf.gov/firearms/ffrrg/theater/toon4.html

 

[Aguila Blanca]

what about when a son saves up his money but is still under 18 so cant buy a rifle/shotgun he would like to. so he gives his money to his father and then his father buy's the gun for him. Is that still a straw purchase? What are your thoughts on this subject?

I am weighing in a bit late, but ... yes, it is a straw purchase. Any time one person purchases a firearms for another person who is not himself eligible to make the purchase, it's a straw purchase.

If your state's laws allow minors to possess long guns, then you as the father can buy a long gun for your son as a gift ... but you can't take Sonny's money or it won't be a gift.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

double post -- sorry

 

[Zundfolge]

Any time one person purchases a firearms for another person who is not himself eligible to make the purchase, it's a straw purchase.

The real annoying part is that the absence of the bold part doesn't matter. If you buy a gun for someone else with their money and they are not ineligible to make the purchase themselves its still a Straw Purchase.

 

[joab]

I actually like like argument presented by oops.
I don't know about the legality of his argument but the premise is sound in my household

 

[oops!]

There have been several changes as posted over the years. There are constant legal battles over teens going to doctors etc.