Taurus Curve

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wally

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This gun gets my vote for the worst new gun introduction. Gimmick design and there is a lot wrong with it.

Why do I have one you ask? I had four variations of the Taurus Millennium pistols Gen 1 in 9mm & .45, Gen II in .40, and a 9mm 24/7 subject to the class-action lawsuit settlement. They were decent enough pistols but I retired them to safe queen status years ago when the "fire when dropped" issues started to be reported. I had been using them for center console carry, so fire when dropped could easily be fire in a random direction in a collision, end of usefulness for me, YMMV. After the settlement took effect I returned them for replacement. I won't go into any of the details as to how poorly this whole thing has been handled.

Problem is, it seems they are only replacing them with 9mm 24/7 G2 Compact models or the Curve. After getting two essentially identically pistols save for the color, I didn't want a third, so when offered a Curve I figured what the heck.

Finally got around to shooting it. There is really nothing to like about it, except maybe the integrated light/laser, but hitting ~8" high at 10 yards is pretty poor out of the box IMHO. I mean when the Laser module on my S&W Bodyguard died, S&W sent me a free replacement and it was a lot closer POA/POI than this when I replaced the module.

No slide lock lever, so clearing an extraction failure it would help to have a third hand, I had one on the fifth round of each six round magazine initially, but no more in subsequent loadings, which made me painfully aware of this issue. I was thrilled to have no further functional issues.

If you have grip strength issues good luck changing the magazine, the release is "innovative" in that you squeeze the sides at the bottom which IMHO takes an unreasonable amount of "pinch" to extract it. This also makes clearing said extraction failures much more difficult. It also makes the spare mag very bulky at the bottom, and it locks in with a "hook" that could easily snag on fabric mag pouches. Different is not better, better is better, and this magazine release system is the worst thing I've ever encountered.

Adding insult to injury they continued to "innovate" by not having any sights "for a smooth snag free profile". At 68 I can't use irons very well, but nothing is a whole lot worse! There is a white "Plus Sign" across the hammer notch and "ears" on the loaded chamber that is supposed to somehow help, maybe some 20-something with perfect vision could make some use of this system, but IMHO this sighting system is much worse than the rightfully maligned "gutter sights" milled into the slide of the AMT Backup DAO.

As to the "curve" shape, think of a P3AT with a fatter grip that has been molded into a slight curve with the gun dropped into a straight slot cut inside and you've about got the curve "innovation" (gimmick). Bummer if you are a lefty, only curves for right side carry, no left-handed option, which IMHO is double stupid as the only possible use I could see for this thing would be as a backup piece, which I I usually carry for left handed draw.

The pseudo holster thing that can automatically activate the laser and/or light is a decent enough idea but unless you hook it around your belt it takes so much force to snap off that I suspect it would rip a fabric belt loop instead of coming off.

All in all two thumbs down, more if I had more thumbs!

Even the plastic box it comes is is curved so the doesn't stack well with the rest of my firearm boxes up in the attic, I imagine gun dealers really love this "feature".
 
Wally, Now I don’t feel so bad about my problems with a Gen 2 Remington R51. I had to send it back 3 times and I was relieved when they called me and told me they were going to replace it...with another R51...Grrr :mad:
To top it off they replaced it with another Charlotte Gen 2 gun and get this, it’s an even earlier serial numbered model by 24,000.
Oh well...it shoots okay, so far.

Sorry to hear about your Curve. Perhaps it’s worth something in a trade? I can’t give this R51 away...
 
Wally, Now I don’t feel so bad about my problems with a Gen 2 Remington R51. I had to send it back 3 times and I was relieved when they called me and told me they were going to replace it...with another R51...Grrr :mad:
I can’t give this R51 away...

I really wanted to get the R 51 when they first announced it because I have 3 of the original 51's and they are sweeeet. If the new Remington company ever decides to restore some faith in the name and its products, it may be worth it to try a "Generation 4, 5, or 6 if it ever goes that far.
It's a real shame that one of the best gun companies ever has been dragged down to what it is now.

I can't comment about Taurus as I've never owned one.
 
Well... I'm kinda in the same circumstance. Taurus has had my "unsafe" gun since February, just last week nagged them about it, and they gave me the choice of the G2C or the curve. Glad I chose the "right(?)" one. (Went for the G2C.)

Hopefully at least the G2C is a solid (if inexpensive) pistol.
 
I really wanted to get the R 51 when they first announced it because I have 3 of the original 51's and they are sweeeet…..
<-----Original 51 lover
First gun I ever bought.
I wanted to believe Remington would make it like it should have been, but once again the public is the beta tester.
 
I have no desire to have a curve or any other cheap aluminum 380 chassis gun, but I do not see where it is much different from other guns in that class as far a reliability. quality etc. I I do not see it as a gimmick. I have known some folks that carry them and like the design. The gun does have last round lock and contrary to opinion, you do not have to have three hands for a gun without a slide lock. Not necessary especially in these small guns. Regardless, one reviewer that I have trusted for years did a full review of the gun with quite a bit of testing, I think you might find his review a little different. And interesting to read as well.
Pocket guns and gear.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-taurus-curve-bends-rules-of-pocket.html
 
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Hopefully at least the G2C is a solid (if inexpensive) pistol.
The G2C is pretty nice, but it has perhaps the most uncomfortable "trigger dingus" of all the striker fired pistols out there with them. The M&P and the SIG P320 seemed to have solved that issue with a more "normal" trigger, although SIG needed a recall on the P320 to get it right. I've no real complaints about the way my G2C shoots, but two is more than enough in the same caliber :( One itn .40 or .45 would be welcome but they don't seem to be making them :(

At least I've got an "oddity" for my troubles :)
Who knows if it flops big enough, it could have great value someday like the Gyrojet :)
 
The gun does have last round lock and contrary to opinion
I didn't say it lacked a last round lock, I said it lacked a slide lock lever which is a real handicap when clearing a "double feed" (aka extraction failure) especially when combined with the difficult to release magazine. If you've got Gorilla fingers maybe no problem, but my wife had little hope of releasing the magazine without breaking a finger nail.

IMHO that review linked is a typical gun rag "puff piece" ignoring real world issues. It shot well enough once I realized the laser was shooting so high I had to put the dot below the plates on the support frame to hit anything. On a day like today using the laser is difficult. I could barely see the dot on freshly painted steel plates, my wife could not.

If you are happy without sights fine, but bad I as do with irons in my old age, what passes for sights on the Curve is little better for me than "I fart in your general direction".
 
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I didn't say it lacked a last round lock, I said it lacked a slide lock lever which is a real handicap when clearing a "double feed" (aka extraction failure) especially when combined with the difficult to release magazine. If you've got Gorilla fingers maybe no problem, but my wife had little hope of releasing the magazine without breaking a finger nail.

IMHO that review linked is a typical gun rag "puff piece" ignoring real world issues. It shot well enough once I realized the laser was shooting so high I had to put the dot below the plates on the support frame to hit anything. On a day like today using the laser is difficult. I could barely see the dot on freshly painted steel plates, my wife could not.

If you are happy without sights fine, but bad I as do with irons in my old age, what passes for sights on the Curve is little better for me than "I fart in your general direction".

I know you said "it lacked a slide lever" and I responded to that, did you not read my post? And NO again it is not difficult to perform the drills without a slide lock. Yes, Maybe if you have weak grip strength etc. But certainly not for someone who trains diligently trains with their pistol. Now your comment that Pocket guns and gear, is a gun rag shows say's a lot. First of all, he does not write for a gun rag. Secondly, he has been doing fantastic reviews of small pocket guns and others for years. It is totally independent. You knock his review yet, his review was much more in depth, More information and over 400 rounds through the gun, with ballistic data etc.AND HE ONLY DOES REVIEWS OF PERSONAL GUNS HE OWNS. Hardly a typical gun rag.
I will agree with you that even a pocket gun does need good sights. I am a firm believer in that even though I have been point and shoot for decades.
You say real world? Not sure what your view of real world is. Yes, maybe the real world of firearm shooters do not train very often, shoot a few times a year is the real world. I would agree. However, there are some that train with their firearms diligently and some of are range rats.

I have no dog in the Tauras curve debate, other than to point out there are other opinions besides yours. You think you review is better and more information than Bruce's at Pocket guns and gear, then fine. For the life of me, Sorry, but not even close.
If someone is interested in that firearm, I would suggest reading both, before making a decision.
On another note. I could not tell you about the laser. I do not believe in them, nor care about them. Had a few years ago and they ended up just being a toy for my dog to chase the annoying red laser.

http://mousegunaddict.blogspot.com/2015/01/the-taurus-curve-bends-rules-of-pocket.html
 
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Oh Taurus.....you replace crappy guns with even crappier replacements. Why anyone would continue to buy from them is crazy to me.

And the curve? This is probably the biggest insult of all.

OP sell the Taurus that you have take a loss learn a lesson and move on.
 
Oh Taurus.....you replace crappy guns with even crappier replacements. Why anyone would continue to buy from them is crazy to me.

And the curve? This is probably the biggest insult of all.

OP sell the Taurus that you have take a loss learn a lesson and move on.

Tell us about your curve Yo Mama. What did you like or dislike when you owned one? I guess one Keltec was so crappy that Ruger copied the crappy design and they sold millions. Go Figure.
 
Tell us about your curve Yo Mama. What did you like or dislike when you owned one? I guess one Keltec was so crappy that Ruger copied the crappy design and they sold millions. Go Figure.

Taurus has screwed me plenty, so I'd never buy a curve or another Taurus. Why would I? To throw my money away? Come on now. I also don't care what your blog reviewer pocket gun guy has to say, it still sucks. Go on Taurusarmed, plenty of complaints about them not working.

And what does Keltec or Ruger have anything to do with it? Deflecting won't help Taurus, only Taurus can fix their problems. Stop treating your customers as scum and when you recall a problem pistol line do the right thing.
 
Taurus has screwed me plenty, so I'd never buy a curve or another Taurus. Why would I? To throw my money away? Come on now. I also don't care what your youtuber reviewer pocket gun guy has to say, it still sucks. Go on Taurusarmed, plenty of complaints about them not working.

And what does Keltec or Ruger have anything to do with it? Deflecting won't help Taurus, only Taurus can fix their problems. Stop treating your customers as scum and when you recall a problem pistol line do the right thing.

Just what I thought. You never even owned one.
 
Just what I thought. You never even owned one.
I don't need to own a Taurus to know they are problematic. I probably transfer three a week, every week of the year.
I also ship them back to the factory at a rate much higher than any other brand. They do seem to have good customer service, because they'll need it.
 
Actually I do have a agenda, but not about Taurus or the Curve. I will be posting a separate thread in about a week. Thank you Yo Mama. You have been very helpful.

We are all on the edge of our seat waiting
 
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