Gord
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Can we get a sticky on the first (so far as I know) combination Taurus Judge AND What Gun for Bear thread ever to, err, grace THR? This is truly a momentous occasion.
Taurus Judge any good for self defense against Grizzly Bears?
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Sam Cade
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Ok, I figured it out. You carry Bear Spray AND the Judge loaded with birdshot..
When the bear charges you have a few seconds to:
1.Quick Draw the Judge
2.Quick Draw the Bear Spray
3.Throw the Bear Spray at the Bear
4.Shoot the flying can of Bear Spray
This should discombobulate the bear long enough for you to find a suitable inlaw to leg shoot.
When the bear charges you have a few seconds to:
1.Quick Draw the Judge
2.Quick Draw the Bear Spray
3.Throw the Bear Spray at the Bear
4.Shoot the flying can of Bear Spray
This should discombobulate the bear long enough for you to find a suitable inlaw to leg shoot.
Mr.454
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+1 To bear bells and bear spray. If you took a Judge you could throw it at a bear, same story for the .45. Neither of those guns will have the penetration to do anything, unless your REALLY lucky. Bear mace however does work, and bells keep you from surprising any little beasties.
rcmodel
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This is a Judge we are talking about here.
It is not +P rated, and would probably come apart if you fired that load in it.
Maybe you could talk the bear into shooting it at you and kill him with the shrapnel!
rc
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Yeah, the bell idea is good then we gotta fish you back out we only have to check the bear thats tinkling. tinkling? Yeah bear tinkling. thats funny all by itself.
The other deal goes :If a T falls in the forest and no ones there can ya hear the hollerin from the truck
RCs right too, the judge isn't +P rated, I think it got to like -J maybe.
The other deal goes :If a T falls in the forest and no ones there can ya hear the hollerin from the truck
RCs right too, the judge isn't +P rated, I think it got to like -J maybe.
"It is not +P rated, and would probably come apart if you fired that load in it"
Really I killed a hog and a deer with that load on my Judge.
It is not like I am going to fire thousands of round of plus p thru it.
That would wear on any handgun +p rated or not.
Really I killed a hog and a deer with that load on my Judge.
It is not like I am going to fire thousands of round of plus p thru it.
That would wear on any handgun +p rated or not.
KodiakBeer
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A bears brain is the size of a softball. Have somebody throw a softball at you, at 40 mph from 20 yards away, skipping along the ground the way a bears head moves when it's bounding. Draw your Judge and shoot.
+1 if you hit the softball.
-1 if you miss the softball.
-10 if you shoot the guy who threw the softball.
+1 if you hit the softball.
-1 if you miss the softball.
-10 if you shoot the guy who threw the softball.
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Kodiakbeer!
+1, that's funny.
To the OP bells and bear spray, and have fun, the chances of being bothered by a bear are very slim.
+1, that's funny.
To the OP bells and bear spray, and have fun, the chances of being bothered by a bear are very slim.
Maybe you can get the bear to hold a watermelon on its head, like the Judge commercials. Exploding the watermelon might distract the bear.
There was a show on Discovery (or similar channel) where off Norway, a group of tourists were taken to a bear inhabited island to view them. A bear decided to annoy them. The captain of the boat engaged the bear with a 22 LR revolver. The bear ate him.
Now, it was mentioned that the Norwegian police or forest rangers - whatever, carry Glock 20s with the hunting barrel and some special load for bears. However, it is a backup for the long arms.
There was a show on Discovery (or similar channel) where off Norway, a group of tourists were taken to a bear inhabited island to view them. A bear decided to annoy them. The captain of the boat engaged the bear with a 22 LR revolver. The bear ate him.
Now, it was mentioned that the Norwegian police or forest rangers - whatever, carry Glock 20s with the hunting barrel and some special load for bears. However, it is a backup for the long arms.
cougar1717
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+1 for the totally uncool, yet effective option of handing your FIL a can of bear spray instead of a gun - at least it's not a whistle!
RugerMcMarlin
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Bear Guns start at 3006 220 RN and go up from there. IMO
aryfrosty
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Tuner, Don't forget to exchange the grips for chocolate ones in case the bear puts it in from the other end.....hee hee.
FoMoGo
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Personally... If I think I may encounter a bear...
I will have my Marlin 1895 STP loaded with some hot and heavy hard cast.
I have seen a BLACK bear walk thru bear mace to try and get to the holder of the can.
Ummm... fudge a bunch of using it on a brown or griz.
Bells are a decent idea... as are the belly dancer cymbals on their fingers.
Jim
I will have my Marlin 1895 STP loaded with some hot and heavy hard cast.
I have seen a BLACK bear walk thru bear mace to try and get to the holder of the can.
Ummm... fudge a bunch of using it on a brown or griz.
Bells are a decent idea... as are the belly dancer cymbals on their fingers.
Jim
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I think the bear is probably gonna have to be trying to get to third base, before I could talk myself into shooting a 300 grain Corbon anything.
Isn't the Judge designed to nix serpents from seat of Farmal or John Deere?
Wounded Griz is going to be much more dangerous.
The only thing worse on North American continent would be wounded Polar Teddy.
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Your best defense is situational awareness. The bears don't want anything to do with you. I was there two years ago and accidentally found myself within 30' of a grizzly (long story). It was content to ignore me and eat grass. I tell you what though, if you have never been that close to a grizzly, it is a life changing experience. When you realize it can get to you in two bounds, and that there is no way you would get a gun out and aim in that time, you realize avoidance is the best idea. I was unarmed at the time. Since then I have purchased a S&W 460 Magnum with a 5" bbl, which I will always carry in griz land now.
A judge or a .45 acp? No way in hell would I think either is enough gun after having my close encounter. JHP's? Nope. I'd go with hard cast or FMJ's at the least.
I think the best bet is for him to avoid them if he doesn't want to spend the money on a new gun. I'd sooner carry bear spray than a Judge. It would be more reliable and effective.
A judge or a .45 acp? No way in hell would I think either is enough gun after having my close encounter. JHP's? Nope. I'd go with hard cast or FMJ's at the least.
I think the best bet is for him to avoid them if he doesn't want to spend the money on a new gun. I'd sooner carry bear spray than a Judge. It would be more reliable and effective.
1911Tuner
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Shootin' a Griz with a pistol is a little like kickin' Mike Tyson on the shin. You ain't hurt him much...but you've got his attention.
Bear Spray's statistically less likely to stop a black than a brown/grizzly, so that's not surprising.
Spray backed up by heavy projectiles is always a good plan, though.
Edit: Here's an article that gives the statistics of the study I read way back on this:
http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF12/1245.html
Taurus Judge:
Yes: Clearly you need to smear the gun with salmon oil. When the bear comes sniffing around, throw gun into the bushes, and run like hell.
Hopefully, unless you've smoothed the gun too much as 1911Tuner suggests, the offensive bear will have indigestion after he eats the gun, and, he'll be unable to bother you the rest of your stay...
Seriously: As John Linebaugh once wrote me about .45 ACP, get a REAL gun, in a REAL caliber....
Yes: Clearly you need to smear the gun with salmon oil. When the bear comes sniffing around, throw gun into the bushes, and run like hell.
Hopefully, unless you've smoothed the gun too much as 1911Tuner suggests, the offensive bear will have indigestion after he eats the gun, and, he'll be unable to bother you the rest of your stay...
Seriously: As John Linebaugh once wrote me about .45 ACP, get a REAL gun, in a REAL caliber....
gunguy56
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Most Dangerous Bear in North America
If one does his research about bears killing humans, you will find that the black bear kills more people in North America than any other species..the black bear is in much greater numbers and distribution than the big bears..also most killer black bears are younger male bears looking for their own territory and have learned through the generations not to be overly-afraid of humans..that's why the National Park Service forbids humans feediing the bears as the black bear has learned that humans are connected with food..whether it is garbage or coolers in a campsite..as others have suggested-make noise and carry bear spray when in the bears' territory..you are not the top entity in the food chain!!
If one does his research about bears killing humans, you will find that the black bear kills more people in North America than any other species..the black bear is in much greater numbers and distribution than the big bears..also most killer black bears are younger male bears looking for their own territory and have learned through the generations not to be overly-afraid of humans..that's why the National Park Service forbids humans feediing the bears as the black bear has learned that humans are connected with food..whether it is garbage or coolers in a campsite..as others have suggested-make noise and carry bear spray when in the bears' territory..you are not the top entity in the food chain!!
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I don't think I'm keeping up again, they still got black bears at Yellowstone don't they?
And the guy whose job it was to test effectiveness of bear repelent and keep statistics? What kind a shoes does HE wear?
And the guy whose job it was to test effectiveness of bear repelent and keep statistics? What kind a shoes does HE wear?
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wleoff
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I've got some 45 Colt Buffalo Bore 325 grain rounds that do 1325 fps. I shoot them in a Redhawk. I guess if a bear charged me, I'd be willing to try one in a Judge.
MCgunner
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Seriously, in a National Park, it's better to get ate by the bear than arrested for shooting one. At least you won't have to spend 20 years in a 4x8 cell with Bubba. I'd just carry spray for bear, a good concealed weapon for self defense against people, which you will get off for shooting if you're in the right, unlike the bear. And, well, human meat always goes better with a little pepper seasoning. Think of the bear, afterall.
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Bear spray. I've seen it used on them before, they HATE that stuff. Works better on them than it does people, by FAR.
By the time you shoot one up close with a handgun, you're a gonner. They don't drop right away, even with good hits, and the pain doesn't bother them. Unless it is in their nose, which is several times more sensitive than a dog's. Be akin to someone using a flamethrower on your privates, only if they were on your face.
If going into the back country, learn about how to camp there. They will only come after the food, so keep that away. Preferably tied up hanging from a limb. Stay away from them, especially the cubs. Enjoy them from a distance, they are magnificent creatures.
More likely to see a black bear anyway. Going the other way. More likely to get molested by a human than a bear. When I carry in Rainier, I carry for people, not bears. In which case the .45 is fine. Save the Judge and use it as a paperweight next to your computer, that is what it was made for.
Now if I HAD to carry for bears, if I lived in Alaska or was visiting Kodiak country, I'd carry a 12ga. with slugs. 3" magnums. Or a very large bolt rifle. At the point you carry for bears, it becomes a real chore as who wants to spend their vacation walking point with a ten pound weapon?
By the time you shoot one up close with a handgun, you're a gonner. They don't drop right away, even with good hits, and the pain doesn't bother them. Unless it is in their nose, which is several times more sensitive than a dog's. Be akin to someone using a flamethrower on your privates, only if they were on your face.
If going into the back country, learn about how to camp there. They will only come after the food, so keep that away. Preferably tied up hanging from a limb. Stay away from them, especially the cubs. Enjoy them from a distance, they are magnificent creatures.
More likely to see a black bear anyway. Going the other way. More likely to get molested by a human than a bear. When I carry in Rainier, I carry for people, not bears. In which case the .45 is fine. Save the Judge and use it as a paperweight next to your computer, that is what it was made for.
Now if I HAD to carry for bears, if I lived in Alaska or was visiting Kodiak country, I'd carry a 12ga. with slugs. 3" magnums. Or a very large bolt rifle. At the point you carry for bears, it becomes a real chore as who wants to spend their vacation walking point with a ten pound weapon?
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