The ammo shortage?

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Come on guys. If there's not enough ammo where we want it when we want it then there is by definition a shortage of sorts. How localized and long lasting that shortage is depends on the individual situation. There is no "shortage" of .22 LR ammo. It is available and has been throughout all the panic. There is certainly a shortage of .22lr at a price I am willing to pay but that doesn't necessarily mean there is a shortage of goods but a shortage of what I consider AFFORDABLE goods. There is definitely a shortage of locally available .22 ammo and has been since December but the fact that it isn't WHERE I want it to be doesn't necessarily mean it is in short supply. Online prices on bricks of .22 LR have dropped by 50% in the last month and we can now buy bulk plinking ammo for the low price of $.10 per round despite the fact that it was $.04 a round back in December.
Everyone has a different situation. Some can't afford to buy 500 rounds at a high price even if they really need it so they complain about the gougers. Others can afford it but just refuse to pay the "gougers" price. Apparently there are plenty that can afford it and are buying it at the high prices. As to the definition of "gouging" I don't even need to look it up. Anyone that is trying to sell a product at a price significantly higher than the market price is trying to gouge. Remember that the buyer generally sets the market because he can just walk away. If you go on Gunbroker and look at .22 ammo for $60 a brick you are only getting gouged if you buy the item at a set price. If you get in a bidding war and pay $75 then how is that the seller's fault? If I put my Daisy Red Rider on Gunbroker and it sells for $200 did I somehow gouge someone? I got the gun as a gift 50 years ago so technically I got it for free and am making a tidy profit so I guess the buyer gouged himself. I tend to refer to a person as gouging when they jack up the price of diapers or milk during a hurricane.
 
How can we still be so behind in keeping up with ammo wants?
OK maybe the Election caught the manufacturers off guard but this far along, how can a Capitalistic company not step up production to meet buyers needs?
Because ammunition is a fairly low-profit product, so even before the demand spike the manufacturers were running close to their maximum capacity. Expanding or starting a new business takes a lot longer than a few months.

To give you an idea, I know a local guy starting up his own ammo manufacturing biz. He started the process in late 2011, formed a corp, got insurance, used his own savings as start-up capital (because good luck getting a bank loan for anything gun-related), found a building, bought it, had it wired up, bought the equipment, had it installed, did some test runs, etc.

He submitted his application for the Type 06 FFL two months ago and hasn't had his interview yet with his IOI. He just needs the ATF to sign off on that before he can start selling.
 
Agreed. Not a very good business model to spend millions upping capacity just in time for demand to drop off.
 
So if they don't raise their prices, but they have none to sell (mine didn't last time I ckd), that still counts as the current price?

Erggghhhh. I told myself I wouldn't get into this debate:)
Walmart has ammo to sell almost every single day. It just goes quick.
 
Queen of Thunder:
I had no idea that the supply to stores really has been choked off, which is a strange situation.
My comments were based on mistaken ideas about availability.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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How can we still be so behind in keeping up with ammo wants?
OK maybe the Election caught the manufacturers off guard but this far along, how can a Capitalistic company not step up production to meet buyers needs?
It's obviouslly Gun Control just the way we were warned about by the conspiritists! Yea maybe they were off the mark on the Kennedy assination but did they really miss warning us about this???
So what are they saying today?
Maybe we'd better heed their warnings...
If the factories are running at 100% just who is buying all this ammo before the consumer gets a crack at it?
I buy what Ican as I can and within my megar SSI budget.
BPDave
These posts are getting very long in the tooth by now. Many people are buying well in excess what they can use plus there are those who buy ammo to sell at a profit at local gun shows which should be called flea markets. Lastly Walmart is not someplace I would go to look for ammo in the first place. They do not get enough in plus they subscribe to "friends & family first" program.
 
jcwit said:
Tell this "Be Prepared" motto to the pre teen or young teenaged kid that just got his first .22 for Christmas or Birthday.

In that case, it's the parents who need to "be prepared" and think ahead. Kids aren't necessarily good at that.
 
Moving along this thread has the usual percentage of post where a member post "My LGS hasn't had ammunition for the past 7 months" but fails miserably to give their even approximate location. The same is true for "My LGS has everything". Post like this just plain suck as other members have no clue where ammunition is or is not. If you are that concerned with posting your even approximate location why bother to post stuff like that?



Just My Take....
Ron
Meijer (No handgun or rifle ammo) and Walmart ("Come back after 8:00pm we might have some ammo") both on Houston Road in Florence KY (Boone County) about 15 - 20 miles South of Cincinnati Ohio.
 
Things seem to be getting a little better here in East Texas (Tyler). Academy and Walmart are able to keep most calibers in stock - 22lr being the most scarce of course. Gander Mountain marks things up so much it is not really worth the trip to go there.

Cal in TX
 
I was one of those "buy ammo as needed" guys. Then Clinton and the Omnibus Crime Bill came along. I figured what I'd need for ten years and purchased accordingly for my (then) meagre battery. Then I bought enough for another ten...and a few more guns. :D
 
We have 3 WalMarts here in Elkhart County Indiana, haven't seen 22 ammo in any of them in 6 months. I regularly go to Fort Wayne Indiana and haven't seen any 22 ammo in either WalMart there either in the last 6 months.

Its nice to know I have "0" need for any, probably have more than enough to last the rest of my life.
 
FWIW, the Cabela's in Rogers, MN was well stocked with most ammo. Had lots and lots of .223 PMC Bronze for around $8.50/20. Good supply of .22LR, too! :cool:
 
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"Funny thing, it's my understanding Canada has NO SHORTAGE. Tell you anything?"

FWIW, Canada didn't go thru Gun Culture V2.0 with large numbers of new people getting into the shooting sports thru CCW. (Defacto no lawful urban CCW in Canada). We also didn't go thru politically-driven uncertainty associated with the most recent US presidential election or cries for more restrictions after a US mass-shooting event.

Canada has been lucky the last few years, with a gun-neutral (by choice) federal gov't not eager to implement more restrictions and even partially fulfilling a campaign promise to eliminate the "long gun registry". Because the way powers are delegated in the Canadian constitution, provinces and municipalities have limited legal basis for enacting firearm restrictions.

Canada also direct imports some ammunition and components from the Far East and Europe which didn't enter into the US marketplace at all.

However, prospects for the firearm community in Canada could take a definite turn for the worse with the Federal elections scheduled for Oct/2015. If any of the other national political parties other than the current form the next government, I expect to see further restrictions on the kinds of firearms that can be lawfully possessed. I doubt that will stimulate a land-rush in ammunition and components. Categories that are closer to the edge likely include semi-auto long guns and/or maybe even all handguns too.

Credible (non-gov't) estimates of the number of firearms in Canada is say 27 million, with a population of roughly 34 million. Non-gov't estimates have the number of firearm owners at around 7 million. A large percentage of those firearms are underground, meaning possessed by unlicensed owners. Unlicensed firearm owners cannot lawfully purchase ammunition, so any of their acquisitions would be "underground" transactions. As such, the underground firearms are probably not being shot a great deal. The number of licensed firearm owners in Canada is 2 million. That would be a closer approximation of the population that is actively acquiring and shooting ammunition.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm
 
There are 2 Bass Pro Shops in South Fla and neither of them have more than a few boxes of target load #8 or 7.5 go ahead and tell me there is no problem.
Last year they had truck loads.
I don't care if near your house you can find plenty, I'm talking about this area where I have always been able to buy ammo by the case.
 
Walmart has ammo to sell almost every single day. It just goes quick.

Those "rats" are the people that line up every ammo shipment day ... some to resell at gun shows. Every conceivable ammo was available at the gun show I went to a couple weeks ago. Just as long as you were willing to pay twice what it cost them to buy it at Wal-Mart.

Now, now, I've been informed more than once its all a free market, and these "retailers" who have no retail license, and are using retail establishments for their main supplier, are only trying to make a few bucks.

This thread cracks me up.
 
Things seem to be a bit better, but the shortages are certainly not over, at least here in Illinois. At G.A.T. Guns, a major gun store in the Chicago area, you can buy 22LR, but only 2 boxes of 50 per purchase. At Gander Mountain in Rockford, they finally had some 22LR, but at $5 a box of 50 I was not buying. I doubt we will ever go back to much less than $20 a box of 500, if even that.
 
Enlighten me as to just how a preteen or young teen with his/her first 22 that they received for Christmas or a birthday can "Be Prepared" in todays ammo madness?
I have a 5 year old and an a 18 month old. They neither our and firearms yet, but it is my job to be prepared for them. I'm a consumer not a supplier, but I have prepared a supply for them to shoot into their late teens with current stock.
So by default they are prepared.

Now if your a new shooter with no relation to a shooter well these times suck for them. I do feel sorry for them and would gladly assist them with some ammo.
Now if you have been shooting for years, then it's your own fault and quit whining.
 
Today, In my first 2 searches of my daily check on supplies, (Midway, Third Generation), I've seen more just today than I've seen put together for a month or so. Lots of powders at Third Gen and lots of 9mm at Midway. I'm sure it will be spotty, but things are definitely looking better.
 
and quit whining

There is a huge difference between whining and complaining. I have the need to do neither, but there are those who have an excuse to complain.

Whining is a childish, immature way of voicing ones displeasure.
 
I have a 5 year old and an a 18 month old. They neither our and firearms yet, but it is my job to be prepared for them. I'm a consumer not a supplier, but I have prepared a supply for them to shoot into their late teens with current stock.
So by default they are prepared.

This applies to very little of the young population. Our 4-H firearms group this last year amounted to almost 600 kids.
 
In that case, it's the parents who need to "be prepared" and think ahead. Kids aren't necessarily good at that.
so I guess the thing to do is to stock up to the ceiling ammo for kids that are not born yet. yes that is the ticket. the shortage will be over in no time that way
 
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