The ammo shortage?
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JTHunter
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Last weekend, I was in Effingham, IL, and was able to go to the Walmart store there.
As expected, they didn't have any .22LR (or much else except shotshells) BUT they did have a shelf tag with the price on it. The tag read $21.97 for 525 Remington bulk. The two "supercenters" in Belleville and O'Fallon, IL, - I have not seen any .22 ammo in since November.
Until recently, these two stores have had little ammo other than shotshells and a few rifle calibers. Recently, they have started getting some 7.62x39, 9mm, .45, and a little .40. I have not seen any .38 Special or .357 Mag there yet.
As expected, they didn't have any .22LR (or much else except shotshells) BUT they did have a shelf tag with the price on it. The tag read $21.97 for 525 Remington bulk. The two "supercenters" in Belleville and O'Fallon, IL, - I have not seen any .22 ammo in since November.
Until recently, these two stores have had little ammo other than shotshells and a few rifle calibers. Recently, they have started getting some 7.62x39, 9mm, .45, and a little .40. I have not seen any .38 Special or .357 Mag there yet.
In a separate thread quite awhile ago someone asked what the FFL license classes 4 and 5 were. I thought FFL 4 and 5 might have been to sell ammo, bought wasn't sure. Was your Federal Firearms License to sell ammo a # 4 and or # 5. If so what was different from a #4 or a #5 ?
The current FFL classes are 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10 and 11.
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oneounceload
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Just a plain old 001 FFL
Constrictor
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Actually the dictionary reflects reality. Unless that store was the only store that sells ammo its impossible for them to be gouging.I took a little ride a couple of months ago to visit several gunshops just to see what was available and at what prices. One gunshop in Eugene, OR that appears to cater mostly to the blackpowder crowd, did have large rifle primers for $60.00 a brick. No matter what the Webster dictionary definition of gouging is, THAT is gouging. I had a real 'low road' comment in mind, but I kept it to myself which was exceedingly difficult when the counter man asked what I was looking for to which I responded 'centerfire reloading components' and he pointed out the primers.
oneounceload
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Sorry, even if he WAS the only store selling ammo and components in that area, it is not gouging......cars are amazing, they can go for miles and miles in a relatively short time frame so you can check out other places far far away......
Ammo is just another item in today's consumer-oriented market and is (or should be) priced accordingly - some folks have a hard time getting a grasp that 30 years ago we paid more for ammo than they are now and our wages were less than half of today and we went with the flow
Ammo is just another item in today's consumer-oriented market and is (or should be) priced accordingly - some folks have a hard time getting a grasp that 30 years ago we paid more for ammo than they are now and our wages were less than half of today and we went with the flow
hammerklavier
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I continue to check out Walmart in the afternoons mostly out of curiosity. Today they were flush with 5.56 7.62x39 as they have been for weeks. Still had .40 in a different brand. Two new additions: .308 and .380! I bought a box of .380. Still no afternoon .22 since I scored the last box 3 weeks ago.
Carsong
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Earlier this week I was able to buy a 500 round box of 22LR at Gander Mountain. (At the normal price, I might add!) This is the first I have seen in the area for close to a year. I refused to buy ammo at the inflated prices, that some people were selling it for at the gun shows. I will not buy from them in the future, either. The same goes for the people that were selling AR magazines for $65-$80 a few months ago. At last weekend's gun show, there were people with hundreds of them, trying to sell them at any price. Had to laugh. Hope they choke on them, for taking advantage during the "panic".
Ammo prices are getting back to normal in south Florida. Supply, other than 22LR is pretty good.
Ammo prices are getting back to normal in south Florida. Supply, other than 22LR is pretty good.
OilyPablo
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Still no one at the range this AM.
Tried the new POF trigger in the AR. Excellent. Burned through 3 mags at 50 yards, one target per mag. Max pattern size was maybe 3" max, and I was firing pretty fast.
I now have plenty of .45ACP so I was going to town at 25 yards with my Colt 1911. The target seemed like it was 6 feet wide and my hands were steady. Very nice.
Took out the Colt Trooper with light hammer and trigger springs. It shoots a bit high at 25 yards. Keep forgetting to adjust the rear sight. But still the groups were gutentight.
I when through a decent amount of ammo and not one guiltfelt.
Right when I was leaving a son and dad arrived. Very cool (yeah I have a mess of daughters, no sons). Dad was really explaining the details of the pistols. He was really praising his son and perfectly emphasizing the safety stuff they started at home. VERY HIGH ROAD. They were shooting .22LR and .32ACP.
Almost forgot. I bought two different batches of 9mm, because "I am low", this last week. When packing this am, I said to myself "No 9mm guns, very low on 9mm". Well when I open the ammo cache box, I have two large MTM boxes full, a cardboard case full, and two extra boxes of 9mm ammo. I must be losing it. I'm pushing 3000+ rounds of 9mm plus the stuff on the way. Next time: Glock 17L, Kahr CM9, Sig P6 and Camp 9!
Tried the new POF trigger in the AR. Excellent. Burned through 3 mags at 50 yards, one target per mag. Max pattern size was maybe 3" max, and I was firing pretty fast.
I now have plenty of .45ACP so I was going to town at 25 yards with my Colt 1911. The target seemed like it was 6 feet wide and my hands were steady. Very nice.
Took out the Colt Trooper with light hammer and trigger springs. It shoots a bit high at 25 yards. Keep forgetting to adjust the rear sight. But still the groups were gutentight.
I when through a decent amount of ammo and not one guiltfelt.
Right when I was leaving a son and dad arrived. Very cool (yeah I have a mess of daughters, no sons). Dad was really explaining the details of the pistols. He was really praising his son and perfectly emphasizing the safety stuff they started at home. VERY HIGH ROAD. They were shooting .22LR and .32ACP.
Almost forgot. I bought two different batches of 9mm, because "I am low", this last week. When packing this am, I said to myself "No 9mm guns, very low on 9mm". Well when I open the ammo cache box, I have two large MTM boxes full, a cardboard case full, and two extra boxes of 9mm ammo. I must be losing it. I'm pushing 3000+ rounds of 9mm plus the stuff on the way. Next time: Glock 17L, Kahr CM9, Sig P6 and Camp 9!
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justice06rr
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oneounceload said:
Except not everyone has the convenience to drive a car for miles and miles anytime they want just to get SD or practice ammo; people have jobs, families, and responsibilities that take priority. And cars need gas which is quite expensive esp if you have a large engine. Cars are beside the point anyway, because not everyone owns one.
Cryogaijin
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Where in oregon? The Security Store on highway 8 in Aloha has milsurp .308 for $300 for 500 rounds. Willamette valley arms in Hillsboro was selling assorted 50 round boxes of .22lr for $3.50. (Some of which I provided them.) WVA, at least, is good to have on your facebook page, if you FB, as they post their specials there first.
Canada also has limited firearm ownership compared to the US. Not a good comparison in my view.
There have been plenty of articles in the gun rags showing that hording is a problem, new gun purchasers are an issue as a gun is no good without a few boxes of ammo and the recent government purchases all caught the ammo manufacturers with less than ample supplies.
From what I have read they are catching up but the panic buying persists as none of us wish to be caught without.
I also believe that those that wish disarmerment(sp) would be happy to disarm us with the high cost of ammo.
JMHO
jcwit
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But it is a good comparison, in that the retail stores in Canada would of course not carry the quantity ours do here. Thereby they would share the same shortage as we do. IMHO
I also wonder if some of the anti's are also buying up stocks there by making the shortage worse and more prolonged.
Nothing surprises me anymore.
oneounceload
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So WHAT? Ammo is not some "right" , it is a consumer product that is as affected by market conditions and supply/demand curves just like gas, apples, or the latest Nike shoes.
You mention priorities - where does shooting and ammo fit in your priorities? (Only you can answer that). If the other things you mentioned are higher (and they SHOULD be), then you cope like everyone else does at the moment - if it is a higher priority, then you make the appropriate sacrifices elsewhere to allow you to buy ammo and shoot
If you can't afford it at the current prices, you have many options, some of which include - getting a second job to earn more money to buy ammo; getting another job period with a bigger paycheck; shoot less so your budget stretches more, order on-line and have it delivered to your door; reload your own - among others
Deltaboy1984
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Hit Wally World 45 yes, 9mm yes shotgun shells yes 22 and 38 or 357 HECK NO!
OilyPablo
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I keep thinking I'm low on 9mm, so I keep buying 9mm. I'm not shooting 9mm the whole summer because I keep thinking I'm low on 9mm.
Some problems are solved by throwing money at them. I have not paid over $16/box with the main goal to stay under $15/box. I forgot I bartered some Amsoil cases for 9mm as well.
I had a substantial stash of 9mm before the tragic boating accident.
Some problems are solved by throwing money at them. I have not paid over $16/box with the main goal to stay under $15/box. I forgot I bartered some Amsoil cases for 9mm as well.
I had a substantial stash of 9mm before the tragic boating accident.
Can you belive it no 9mm or .357 magnum (only expensive SD .357 loads) at of all places a shooting range.
This quacky political campain against firearms has made the firearms industry loads of money hand over fist which is a good thing.
Just remember to keep buying lots of ammo when things get back to normal after production is stepped up because in this day and age you don't want the firearms industry to lose money.
I sure wish the .327 magnum would pick up some steam because it is one great cartridge (kind of like a Tokerov round for revolvers) coupled with the fact that a revolver chambered for it can take a wide variety of .32 caliber rounds.
Those smaller frame revolvers (sp101) are great for people with smaller hands.
This quacky political campain against firearms has made the firearms industry loads of money hand over fist which is a good thing.
Just remember to keep buying lots of ammo when things get back to normal after production is stepped up because in this day and age you don't want the firearms industry to lose money.
I sure wish the .327 magnum would pick up some steam because it is one great cartridge (kind of like a Tokerov round for revolvers) coupled with the fact that a revolver chambered for it can take a wide variety of .32 caliber rounds.
Those smaller frame revolvers (sp101) are great for people with smaller hands.
Queen_of_Thunder
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Seems to be a common hazard for us. Yet I see a new business here. Life jackets for ammo.
Spotty Shortage
Here in NW Ohio things are starting to even out. It seems to totally dependent on where you shop. The big box stores gander Mtn, Bass Pro, Cabelas, Wally World, seem to have the most problems and BS explanations, and strangely enough the highest prices or non-availability? Go figure. The locally owned and operated gun stores and ranges seem to be the best to deal with (prejudice showing!) have ammo at decent prices on a regular basis. Therefore I stick with people who are honest and know what they are doing.
Just sayin.
Here in NW Ohio things are starting to even out. It seems to totally dependent on where you shop. The big box stores gander Mtn, Bass Pro, Cabelas, Wally World, seem to have the most problems and BS explanations, and strangely enough the highest prices or non-availability? Go figure. The locally owned and operated gun stores and ranges seem to be the best to deal with (prejudice showing!) have ammo at decent prices on a regular basis. Therefore I stick with people who are honest and know what they are doing.
Just sayin.
9 pages is more than enough for this one. Though something tells me there will be another ammo shortage thread soon enough...
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