The "I" word is in the air - (Impeachment)

[PCGS65]

Bush is damned if does, damned if he doesn't.

+1 YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!

 

[Lone_Gunman]

It doesnt really matter if Bush has done anything wrong, he will not be impeached. No president, Republican or Democract, will ever be impeached if his own party controls the Congress.

Clinton would not have been impeached if the Democrats had controlled Congress at the time. The Republicans control all branches of government now, and will not cannibalize their own leader.

Party politics will trump justice every time.

 

[Biker]

Bush is damned if does, damned if he doesn't.

Long as he's damned, it's alright with me.
Biker

 

[PCGS65]

Long as he's damned, it's alright with me.
Biker

biker that's funny.
You know out of all the people that want to be president...not me no way. I don't care how much it pays or how many perks you get!!!!

 

[mcooper]

Learning of this action on Bush's part has been the straw that broke my back.

I want him OUT of office.

 

[StopTheGrays]

I hope Bush hasn't crapped on the Alito nomination. That would be a real loss for the Nation. This administration has used the Constitution for toilet paper long enough - if they go after him, he'll have no one to blame but Cheney. They're running a "poll" on impeachment with this story - a recent check shows 88% in favor of impeachment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10561966/from/RS.4/

And somewhere on DU there are about 37 threads asking everyone to "DU" that same poll. Because Bush is teh evil!!!111!!! [/moonbat]

 

[stevelyn]

Yeah, what is that big meanie Bush trying to pull on us. It's not like there is a war going on or anything, C'mon its not like their is a group of incredibly evil people trying to destroy us and crash planes into our buildings or plan our complete destruction or anything. Dude, pass me the bong, peace brother.

So we're supposed to give up our Constitutional rights and allow ourselves to be spied upon by our own govt?

If that's that's the case OBL and his minions have already won. All we need to do now is hand over title and deed to them because it isn't worth fighting for anymore.:banghead:

 

[Dmack_901]

I think this has become a real problem with Americans. You can't just jump to impeaching the guy. First Clinton about irrelevant affairs, and now about something which the President has the legal authority to do. (I'm not sure of the specifics, so I'm just going off what MSNBC said.)

Be mad, sure. Want change, sure. Vote differently next election, by all means. But you can't keep trying to throw out the other party's president ever time he does something you don't like. The man's got 3 years left, and it would probably take 2 before you could get him out. And then you'd have to have elections one year months away from when you usually would have had them, and the new guy would be in for how long? And over what?

Sure probably cause or reasonable suspiscion or whatever it is may be a low standard, but if this was ever used against someone, we have an entire branch of our government to determine whether what Bush did was constitutional. That's how you correct this type of problem.

edit: Oops, by "irrelevant affairs", i meant "actions which had very little impact". Well, minus the impeachment that it caused, but you understand.

 

[M-Rex]

The kind of emotional drivel on this thread rivals anything on the DU. I've got news for ya, just because you think something is unconstitutional doesn't make it so.

Bush isn't going to be impeached, so go drink your Koolaid.

+1

Well stated.

I'd bargain that a lot of the fervor for impeaching President Bush is little more than Democrat 'get-even-with-them-ism' for the impeachment of the idiot Clinton.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Even more credible to me is Lindsay Graham (R-SC), a prominent spokesman for the GOP and one of my Senators, being very unhappy with Bush's disclosure. Bush will not be impeached unless there is something bad enough to draw in the Republicans.

At the rate things are going, I'll be amazed if there is a Republican congress come January 2007. Except for a handful of people who believe that the executive branch should be beyond the reach of Constitutional law so that the nanny state can keep us safe, most people have reached the breaking point with the Bush administration. Any congressman who has been seen as too cozy with the administration is going to be dragged down with the man. When the Democrats regain control of the congress they will impeach Bush, and they will succeed, because unlike the last time a president was impeached, the majority of the population will support the impeachment this time.

I'm genuinely worried about what kind of liberal dingbats the Democrats are going to put into office as a reaction to the excesses, incompetence, and criminality of the Bush administration. I think the legacy of liberal moonbats who will run this country for the next generation as the country tries to distance itself from the horror of the Bush administration will be one of the man's most endearing and damaging legacies.

 

[bjbarron]

Bush isn't going to be impeached, so go drink your Koolaid.

+2

What should happen is those who leaked this be tried for treason and the New York Times closed down.

The rest of us should pray that no one dies because this program was compromised.

That this is legal can be found here...no matter what your BDS wish is.

The mods should put up a poll....are we in a war to the knife, or should we let the cops handle it?

 

[M-Rex]

I think this has become a real problem with Americans. You can't just jump to impeaching the guy. First Clinton about irrelevant affairs, and now about something which the President has the legal authority to do. (I'm not sure of the specifics, so I'm just going off what MSNBC said.)

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Just to clarify, Clinton was not impeached because of "irrelevant affairs". Clinton was impeached because he ""...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence""

Cite:
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm

 

[roo_ster]

Some folks need to engage their brains before mashing hte accelerator.

Legal Reality
What GWB did has been backed up by case law. He has not committed a crime by doing what he said he did.

I may not like what he did and think it violates the US Constitution, but that doesn't mean squat, relative to SCOTUS rulings.

Political Reality #1
As was already mentioned, the Republicans control the US House. No impeachment will gain traction there. That talk is nothing more than firing up the lefty's base.

Political Reality #2
Notice any polls comissioned by the MSM asking the public if they agree/disagree with GW's actions? No, neither have I. Why? Because the vast majority of folks, when given the facts, will support GW's actions. The MSM doesn't want to douse the fire of controversy with the cold, clear water of reality.

 

[roo_ster]

Out on a Limb Prediction for 2006

The Republicans increase their margins in the US House & Senate.*

The Democrats will repeatedly step on their generative members, giving GWB and the Repubs the advantage, especially with regard to national defense & security. The Democrats just are not to be taken seriously on the issue. The party of Howlin' Howard and retreat & defeatism will look even more anti-American than they currently do. They will look especially foolish as conditions in Iraq improve so much, even the MSM punks in their hotel rooms will have to acknowledge the facts on the ground.

This wll not necessarily be the best outcome for out country. We need at least two parties that are viable and that love this country.

 

[jefnvk]

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

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So, you are going to remove everyone in congress that voted to give him that power, too, right?

Impeachments are great, until they just become another tool that one side tries to use to smear the other.

 

[mr.trooper]

Its a sad, sad, day when we have become So partisan that every president that comes into office has to be "impeached" by the opposing party for no reason but to drag his name throught he mud.

If you ask me this kind of lunacy is the real abuse of the constitution.

People need to **** and realize that administrators of the opisite party will do things they dont like, and THAT THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Bush isn't going to be impeached and anybody who thinks so is living in fantasy land. First, a Republican majority Congress isn't going to impeach a sitting Republican President during a war over a gray-area legal call that shares some common characteristics with unpunished abuses by earlier Presidents.

 

[Standing Wolf]

It's all gas and no go, of course, but I've to admit I kind of like the sound of "President Cheney."

 

[fallingblock]

I don't think so......

"as the country tries to distance itself from the horror of the Bush administration will be one of the man's most endearing and damaging legacies."
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I'm of the opinion that Bush and his administration will be treated rather favorably by history - for their spirited and strategically competent response to terrorist attacks upon the U.S..

The only horror will indeed be if the people buy the moonbats' line and elect a democratic congress and president.

 

[Powderman]

well...courtesy of ramsey clark...

Articles of Impeachment

of

President George W. Bush

and

Vice President Richard B. Cheney,
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and
Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. - - ARTICLE II, SECTION 4 OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard B. Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez have committed violations and subversions of the Constitution of the United States of America in an attempt to carry out with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes and deprivations of the civil rights of the people of the United States and other nations, by assuming powers of an imperial executive unaccountable to law and usurping powers of the Congress, the Judiciary and those reserved to the people of the United States, by the following acts:

1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of tens of thousands of Iraqis, and hundreds of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

5) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

6) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

7) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

8) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

9) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

10) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

11) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

12) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

13) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

14) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

15) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

16) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

17) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

18) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court.

Oh, PLEASE!!!! Give me a BREAK, will ya?

Will everyone just PLEASE leave the President ALONE, and let the man do his job? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Powderman]

Just to clarify, Clinton was not impeached because of "irrelevant affairs". Clinton was impeached because he ""...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence""

Cite:
http://www.eagleton.rutgers.edu/e-gov/e-politicalarchive-Clintonimpeach.htm

Amen! Clinton was impeached for committing the crime of perjury--which, last time I looked, is a felony offense.

GWB has committed no crime.

 

[PCGS65]

by powderman, Will everyone just PLEASE leave the President ALONE, and let the man do his job?

+1 powderman
While we are focused on wire tapping, by the way to prevent terrorism. The terrorists might sneak in here AGAIN, while our backs are turned and blow the hell out of something else!!! That's how they operate.

 

[LAK]

And yet, as I understand it, many of the people in the White House’s own Situation Room — including leaders of the national security adviser’s top staff and officials of the FBI — had no idea that it was happening

Funny; they could have just asked me. I could have told any and all of them that convicted felon Poindexter's "Total Awareness" program was not only nothing new - but wasn't going to go away either.

Not that I have access to any "secrets" of the ongoings in the WH or anywhere else; it has simply been quite open and obvious where those at the helm have been steering us for a great many years.
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[LAK]

Why didn't Clinton get impeached over Echelon and Carnivore?

For the same reason he wasn't busted over the unprovoked bombing of Serbia, and the murder of thousands of Serbian citizens.

Bill Clinton was helped into office by a lady whose associations with the Bush family go back decades ago. She even spent millions of her own money on Clinton's campaign. This "Democrat" vs "republican" nonsense is a big show, nothing more. It's all WWF under one syndicated club.
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[Byron Quick]

Only one problem with the premise that no majority party will ever impeach a President of the same party: it's already happened...and the Republicans did it. The man who attained the Presidency upon Abraham Lincoln's assassination, wouldn't follow the Radical Republicans wishes. They impeached him. The Senate didn't convict. If I remember correctly, the vote was one short.