the Warm-Weather Warrior: Why HSLD might not be our best choice

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mikebravo

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First, let me qualify this: I am no Delta operative, Chris Costa, Chuck Norris, or Jerry Miculek, just someone voicing his opinion.

What I have been noticing is a lot of people moving toward the HSLD, or High Speed, Low Drag sort of equipment when they are looking for options for their personal gear, survival kits, range toys, and end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it whizbangs. Some of these include things like kydex holsters, low-profile chest rigs, open-top mag holders, 3-day or smaller packs, etc. Now, all these things are well and good, and do make shooting slightly faster and much easier. But here is the problem I see with these if you are making them for surival/resistance/extended outdoor use: They might not be conducive to extended stays in crappy weather.

You see, I hail from the northwest corner of Oregon, and as an outdoorsman and hiker with a bit of search-and-rescue experience, so I am no stranger to surviving in pouring rain or snowy environments. When I buy my gear, I tend to think, "If I had to take this outside for a week or more, how would it do?" And the way I see it, not all the popular gear is well-suited for long stays in the wet and cold. The most obvious to me are A) how well would my weapons hold up to constant moisture? B) will my holster hold or attract water? C) is my pack capable of holding enough food/water/ammo to keep me supplied for a longer duration, and do I have the supplies I need? D) how does my clothing deal with moisture and heat retention?

To answer my own questions, my rifle is a Smith and Wesson M&P 15 with a Troy TRX Vtac rail and Vortex SPARC optic. The whole combination has held up well so far, but I do have some concerns on how the rifle deals with long-term exposure. My pistol is a Beretta 92a1, which has proven pretty reliable, but can be finicky. That could be improved upon. I am currently shopping for a holster, so that's in the works, and my pack is an 85 liter REI Mars in subdued greens and greys that fits my 3 liter camelback. My clothing is woodland MARPAT and surplus wool, but for bad weather, subdued rain gear is still in the works.

I know this is a very lengthy and specialized thread, and is of little use to warm weather climates, but I hope you like it, and remember to take it with a grain of salt. This is my own opinion only, and I want to draw attention to something people don't often talk about. Thanks for reading!
 
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Being from OR myself I have a very minor question for ya.

You very specifically mentioned Kydex holsters and wet weather. What is it about Kydex that you think will not hold up to moisture?

Also, when you go elaborating on your choice of camouflage and then question people's choices on an open top magazine holder I have to question what the difference is between someone chosing a faster reload and you chosing camouflage for "resistance" purposes?
 
"If I had to take this outside for a week or more, how would it do?" And the way I see it, not all the popular gear is well-suited for long stays in the wet and cold. The most obvious to me are A) how well would my weapons hold up to constant moisture? B) will my holster hold or attract water? C) is my pack capable of holding enough food/water/ammo to keep me supplied for a longer duration, and do I have the supplies I need? D) how does my clothing deal with moisture and heat retention?

Perfectly reasonable food for thought, but not everyone purchases shooting accessories to carry for a week long trip in the backcountry nor do those that do face the same conditions as we do in the wet NW and soggy SE Appalachians.

The real take away is to try to understand exactly what you're going to be doing and asking your gear to stand up to before spending a bunch of money finding out that your gear isn't suitable in intent, design or quality for what it will be asked to do. Don't just buy something because it's cool, put some thought into the long term use.
 
Nushif: I am not questioning the durability at all-my biggest worry is a closed-bottom holster holding water. The same goes for mag holders. I have no problem (or major preference) with closed or open, I just don't like things that hold water.
 
I thought Kydex holsters were open bottom. Can't say I ever really inspected one, though. The Kydex open top mag holder is open bottom for sure though.
 
Since this seems to be exclusively a "gear" thread, and doesn't mention anything I can see about strategies, tactics or training, I'm moving it to Accessories...
 
mikebravo,

Kydex is usually open bottomed and if not it is trivial to drill drain holes so moisture doesn't build up. Leather rots in wet and dries/cracks in dry unless cared for extensively. Kydex and nylon and other synthetics don't tend to have that problem. Modifying leather isn't as easy as modifying kydex in the field.
 
Most folks buy gear for comfort at the range, or to compete in their favorite pistol or rifle games. I suspect that drives the high speed low drag thing. Very few folks look at gear in the way you mention. Should we? Perhaps.

If you get stuck in the wilds for a week or more, you can make do with whatever gear you have, if you have food, water, warm clothing in cold climate, and a way to start a fire.

My box of emergency stuff in my FJ covers this. Food, water, meds, first aid kit, warm blanket, fire starter stuff. (And a couple other goodies) I won't eat well, but I won't starve, freeze, or die of dehydration.
 
I have spent a significant amount of time in extremely humid environments thanks to the US Army. Here are my thoughts:

1. Any synthetic or nylon holster is will be better than leather. The Bianchi M12 will protect your sidearm better than anything, but at the cost of reduced draw time.

2. Summer-weight 100% nylon ripstop BDUs are the only garments that will dry in high humidity. ACUs take a little bit longer.

3. The only thing that will protect your weapon from rust is a daily application of light oil on all metal parts, or a silicon cloth. Having neglected my M16A2 for all of one day, I have experienced first-hand how shockingly fast they can rust up.

4. Rubberized nylon ponchos are worthless. Gore-Tex is the only way to go, though if it is hot enough there is no point wearing it in the rain.

5. Change your socks and underwear every day, or face the consequences. Foot powder is indispensable, apply liberally to your feet and grundle.
 
the Warm-Weather Warrior: Why HSLD might not be our best choice
I think you're focusing on the summer USGI gear you saw in media coverage of the war in Iraq. If you dig deeper take a look at the current issue gear being used in mountains of Afghanistan in the cold winters there. Look also at the gear that issued for winter use in Iraq. Winter there is the rainy season: I can tell you from experience that it gets surprisingly cold (cold enough to snow in the far north of the country), and it rains for days on end, turning the flat sandy terrain into a giant mud plain. The gear issued evolved while I was in, and continued to evolve after I was out.

Essentially, look further below what you see on the surface.

HSO and Devonai have already given you some very good info.
 
my biggest worry is a closed-bottom holster holding water.
Any closed bottom holster worth considering would have at least a drain hole or two in the bottom.

I prefer a closed bottom holster for rough use like you describe.
Sooner or later you are going to set or fall down on wet ground.
And an open bottom holster is an invitation to a mud or dirt plugged gun muzzle.

If you want a holster with a proven track record of rough use?
Look at the Bianchi line of UMH military holsters.
As used by the U.S. military as standard issue battle gear.

http://www.bianchi-intl.com/product/CatList.php?numSubCat=26

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