They're not sheeple...

[Owen]

cbsbyte,

those articles are hardly an indictment.

 

[G36-UK]

Here's an interesting one:

What caliber for Voldemort?

 

[woerm]

voldmort, caliber required

G36

hmmm,

I'm thinking along the lines of

silver tipped .454 Casull,

or A-10 from about 1000'

or 120mm from a M1 or a Challenger.

woerm

 

[Eleven Mike]

Eleven Mike:

flavor-of-the-month novels that real people don't bother reading.

By the very fact that people here were happily discussing the novel, you do realize you just blatantly insulted everyone enjoying this discussion, nearly everyone who posted on this thread, right? You didn't miss that little fact?

My point was that muggle will be dated as soon as Harry Potter passes into oblivion. That will be a few years now. Yes, I suppose I did insult some people. People spending time reading long books with no real value. Maybe they should be insulted. There are a lot of other things worth reading out there.

Insulting sheeple or muggles, though, is something we do among ourselves. If you call some anti-gunner a sheeple while you're talking to them, that might be unhelpful. When we use it on a board like this one, it's a helpful shorthand that's not aimed at anyone in particular.

 

[torpid]

My point was that muggle will be dated as soon as Harry Potter passes into oblivion. That will be a few years now. Yes, I suppose I did insult some people. People spending time reading long books with no real value. Maybe they should be insulted. There are a lot of other things worth reading out there.

Like this thread?

Hee... you all just wasted your valuable time reading this post that will pass into oblivion!

 

[ArcherandShooter]

When we use it on a board like this one, it's a helpful shorthand that's not aimed at anyone in particular.

ElevenMike, let respectfully differ with you a bit on that, if you will.

The words we use, and the attitude they convey, are a direct reflection of what is in our hearts. Not only that, their repeated use actually reinforces negative attitudes within us. Their constant use becomes a habit of the tongue, and then a habit of the heart.

People may or may not agree that "Muggle" is such a derogatory term. I don't think it is, at least not as it has been used by people on this thread. "Sheeple", though, certainly IS a term of condescension or even scorn, and if we think and talk that way here "in the clubhouse", we are far more likely to talk that way out in the rest of the world.

The problem here is that we thus reinforce negative images of shooters and shooting sports. Every time we do that, we alienate people who could be our friends.

 

[wizard of oz]

buckshotus exodus ...i'll be giggling about that for days

 

[moewadle]

I find the term Sheeple an insult to others as

was stated above. All of you want to be respected and have people hear your opinion but...there you are...labeling, labeling, labeling....! You have grouped a whole lot of people under one heading and know not of what you speak regarding most of them as individuals. They do not share your opinion so this seems to make you think it is okay to be disrespectful and insulting. Then, you mostly wonder why you feel labeled as a bunch of ranting, red-neck, hill billy gun nuts by the so-called "antis." You know there is a way to disagree, be politically active and still show some semblance of respect for all people in this USA. We have enough hate, anger, and polarization in this country without those of us, who claim to take The High Road, adding to the pool of hate, anger, and polarization.

 

[Strings]

>Yes, I suppose I did insult some people. People spending time reading long books with no real value. Maybe they should be insulted. There are a lot of other things worth reading out there.<

Wow... so tell me, does only YOUR chosen aspect of shooting "have value"? Are other forms "wastes of time"?

I'll admit, I really enjoy reading such "valueless" stuff: I read to relax, and that seems to be what relaxes me the best. As I won't judge your tastes in shooting, or food, or life partner, I'd like to ask that you keep the judgemental stuff off my chosen form of recreation...

 

[Eleven Mike]

Reeer.

 

[Diamondback6]

Careful word choice is always a good idea. The anti's I've turned to neutrals or mild-positives have been because I was willing to be civil, to accept their right to disagree and making an effort to understand the experiences that led them to their positions. That, then, opened up opportunities to explain the data and experiences that led me to my position, and the ability to draw correlations to their own lives.

I'd argue that "non-shooter", while longwinded, is the best way to go here.

 

[iamkris]

People spending time reading long books with no real value. Maybe they should be insulted. There are a lot of other things worth reading out there.

Yeah, I mean what could be worse than reading a long book that is enjoyable, fun, you can share with your kids, and you can use to escape from "the world" for an hour or two at a time.

I agree, everything people do should be work, work, work. If you aren't being a a productive cog in the machine every minute, you just aren't worth a d@#^.

 

[springmom]

Insulting sheeple or muggles, though, is something we do among ourselves. If you call some anti-gunner a sheeple while you're talking to them, that might be unhelpful. When we use it on a board like this one, it's a helpful shorthand that's not aimed at anyone in particular.

Never fails to amaze me that people think that only gunnies ever log on to this forum..... :banghead:

Yes, I suppose I did insult some people. People spending time reading long books with no real value. Maybe they should be insulted. There are a lot of other things worth reading out there.

Yes there are. I'm currently working my way through The Life in Christ by Nicholas Cabasilas, a 15th century Byzantine. What's YOUR current reading, pray tell?

Good gravy. Why is it that people have to stick their noses in the air at what other people like? What the blazes is it to you and why do you feel like you just HAVE to put your supercilious oar in? If you don't like the books and think they're beneath you, there really are some other threads you can pontificate in. Feel free to go find them.

Springmom

 

[pax]

<moderator hat on>

Okay, everyone, listen up.

The thread is about the benefits or drawbacks of calling outsiders and non-RKBA people "muggles."

You want to dis other people's reading material, or debate the goodness or badness of Harry Potter, or riff on how to kill a ficticious character -- go do it elsewhere, please. THR ain't the place for it, and this thread sure ain't the place for it.

</moderator hat off>

Personally, I think muggles is great, and predict that it will soon pass into the language as a generic term for an outsider or a non-cognicenti in 'most any area.

pax

 

[Eleven Mike]

Quote:
Insulting sheeple or muggles, though, is something we do among ourselves. If you call some anti-gunner a sheeple while you're talking to them, that might be unhelpful. When we use it on a board like this one, it's a helpful shorthand that's not aimed at anyone in particular.

Never fails to amaze me that people think that only gunnies ever log on to this forum.....

There is a significant difference between criticizing and insulting a mindset in general (such as sheeple-ism) and insulting someone personally. I wouldn't use "sheeple" when arguing with an anti-gunner, but there is no reason to be timid about using it in a generic way on this forum.

Sheeple doesn't mean non-gunnies. It refers to a "bliss-ninny" leftist point of view that expects govt to care for the citizen's every need. That's an ad-hoc definition but I think it gets the point across. There are plenty of people, even if they own guns, who couldn't be called "gunnies" because they don't care much about guns. But these people aren't necessarily sheeple and may even have served in the military. Perhaps "muggle" fits these people better. I'll let the Harry Potter fans decide if it's an insult or not. It sounds like one to me, and I don't think we need to insult people just because they aren't into guns.

But sheeple is an insult and also a descriptive term that we all understand. If someone reads the forum and feels they fit the description of a sheeple, their feelings will be hurt. And? That is life. Does anyone really think an honest-to-goodness anti-gun "bliss-ninny" could read General or L & P without feeling insulted, even if they never log on to be insulted in person? Even if the term sheeple is never used? Granted, we could turn those forums into peer-reviewed scholarly journals that never cast aspersions, but until that happens, there will be plenty of, "Anti-gunners are so dumb, cause how can they believe all that stuff."

 

[Geno]

That's great!

I could use it.

Doc2005