Thinking about acquiring foreign milsurp rifle

I think that FR8 I have is the most accurate of mine. But I've never extensively tested the others. My O3A3 could be as or more accurate.
Ha ha I quote myself!! :rofl: I shot the FR8 and my M44 Mosin side by side. Both with about the same load, 35 grains or RL7, 125 grain .308" in the FR8 and 123(124?) grain .310" in the M44. So the M44 takes the cake at the moment. Those are reduced loads, obviously, but a good side by side comparison I believe. That's not to say my O3A3 might not do better, but that's where it stands at the moment.
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Not bad for a M44 aye?
 
What sight modifications did everyone have to do with their rifles?
With my Mosin Nagnts, 91/30's and the carbines, what I do is file the sight base at it's lowest setting, putting them "on" at 100 yards. Much easier than installing taller front sights, and after it's done, I blend the ramp into the base, dab on some cold blue, so the modification is truly un-detectable. (other than the rifle does not shoot way high as they usually do)
 
i fould the swiss 31 to be like a fine watch, my only complait was extraction if i shot dirty or heavy reloads, extraction was not as positive as mausers or springfields./ in rough combat conditions, with dirt-mud ect, i would prefer a bolt action.
Probably not much mud in the Swiss Alps. :) Just snow! :) I really loved my K31, but not having a large supply of ammo, I passed it on.
 
Super cheap when I bought thousands of rounds of 8 MM. I'm still shooting it and haven't had a misfire or hang fire yet. Bolt action guns are snap to clean after corrosive ammunition is fired. GI Bore cleaner still works great.
I've never found corrosive ammo to be a problem either. Like you, I got in on the 7.92X57mm surplus ammo boom back in the day. Much of it was/is very high quality, like the Ruska 8mm. But I have lots of the Turk ammo, and had to cull very few out of the 1400 round batches that went for $75. (all on strippers and in bandoliers!) Some hate that ammo, many say don't shoot it, too hot, but my M48 Yugo will take the punishment easily. (Has a pretty nasty recoil, but I think the M48's butt plate was designed to hurt you) I don't shoot it in my VZ24 or Persian though.
 
Ugly Sauce: Oh.... I forgot about the "Persians".

Had I only realized about ten years ago that they were Czech, when the 'late' Samco advertised some pristine Persians in Shotgun News, there is no doubt that one would have been mine.
Kicked myself about such ignorance.

They should have been designated "Czech contract". This isn't any actual consolation, but at least I discovered the Czech VZ-58's quality and bought a Sporter nib (2019).
Right on, the Persian is a jewel of a rifle. I originally got mine to mount a scope and turn into a "sniper". With the long barrel and powerful cartridge, and some glass bedding I figured it would be a winner. But....I just cannot bring myself to have holes drilled in that receiver and defile that fantastic Persian crest. So, I got some Woodleigh 220 grain bullets for it, loaded them "stout" and it's "kind of" a dangerous game rifle now, instead of a sniper. The Czechs made nice Mausers, I also have a VZ24, which is a beater, had to replace the stock, (it's a combat vet for sure) has a dark and rough bore, but is more accurate than my un-issued M48 Yugo. !!!
 
If you are looking for small groups punching paper or for milsurp matches, Swiss K31 or Swedish Mauser. You mentioned the two best Mosins for that, so those are good options also.
Entropy is right. I put these right there with the Finnish M39 too.

They have U-notch rear sights and flat-top front blades. These are much easier to use than the inverted-V Mauser 98 sights or coarse metric Soviet sights.

6.5x55 is easier to reload than 7.5x55 for a K31 (where you'd need to be careful of OAL) or 7.62x54R (where it really needs .310 or .311 bullets to shine). It also has (in my experience) significantly less recoil. I never feel beat up after shooting a Swedish Mauser, but the others can wear on your after a box or two, depending on position or if you're wearing a coat, etc. Then again, if you have H4895 and some light bullets, you can make any of them comfortable.
 
I own several, most of them for over 40 years. Arisaka in 6.5 is a nice rifle. The much maligned Carcano is a better rifle than its reputation. The SMLE is a solid rifle and mine is pretty accurate. It is hard to go wrong with a Finnish M39 or a K98 Mauser. My 2 most accurate milsurps are a Swiss K31 in 7.5 Swiss. The straight pull bolt takes a bit of getting used to but build quality and the quality of machining is unrivaled. My favorite is a bubba'd M96 Swedish Mauser in 6.5 . After recrowning the cut down barrel this gun shoits well, 5 rounds inside of Skoal cap at 100 yards with my homemade no drill scope mount and a 1 - 6x pistol scope mounted forward in a Scout rifle fashion. Keep us informed on your choice.
 
Was wanting to do an STG58 build but kits have gone silly in price.
Would be a range toy only, so it aint gonna happen.
 
Ha ha I quote myself!! :rofl: I shot the FR8 and my M44 Mosin side by side. Both with about the same load, 35 grains or RL7, 125 grain .308" in the FR8 and 123(124?) grain .310" in the M44. So the M44 takes the cake at the moment. Those are reduced loads, obviously, but a good side by side comparison I believe. That's not to say my O3A3 might not do better, but that's where it stands at the moment.
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Not bad for a M44 aye?
Good shooting. I have an M-44 that I haven't shot in years. I am thinking about using it . Is it better to shot with or without the bayonet? Any other tips for accuracy?
 
Well, for a "bug back home" gun, I really like having a bayonet, but I'd only be using it if things were REALLY up close and personal. I think that in some circumstances the bayonet can be more intimidating than the threat of being shot. ? I do believe the bayonet extended changes POI, but that wouldn't matter at close range so I've never shot my M44 with the bayonet extended. So I'd say, better without. (not extended)

On accuracy I think they will perform best with reloads using quality brass, primers and bullets. And load development. ???
 
I own several, most of them for over 40 years. Arisaka in 6.5 is a nice rifle. The much maligned Carcano is a better rifle than its reputation. The SMLE is a solid rifle and mine is pretty accurate. It is hard to go wrong with a Finnish M39 or a K98 Mauser. My 2 most accurate milsurps are a Swiss K31 in 7.5 Swiss. The straight pull bolt takes a bit of getting used to but build quality and the quality of machining is unrivaled. My favorite is a bubba'd M96 Swedish Mauser in 6.5 . After recrowning the cut down barrel this gun shoits well, 5 rounds inside of Skoal cap at 100 yards with my homemade no drill scope mount and a 1 - 6x pistol scope mounted forward in a Scout rifle fashion. Keep us informed on your choice.
I once had a Swiss K13 that a talented gunsmith fitted with an M96 Swede Mauser barrel. Probably should have kept it, but even then 6.5 Swede wasn't exactly cheap or easy to come by.
 
Oh yeah, the SMLE was my first love, from the time I was a kid and me and my buddies would either watch war movies, play soldier, or play with toy soldiers. Whenever I saw one in a movie, I'd be like: "I'm gonna have one of those someday". For some reason, Mausers and M1's didn't capture my imagination. Although what I have is the closest thing to a collection, I've never tried to accumulate a large number of them. One from each maker is enough. But...I do have three Longbranches. One a gun show "sporter" so it don't count!! Dang Gunny, that's a BUNCH of them. !!
 
Depends on if you're looking for "best value" or just something iconic. If you're more WW2 era for iconic I'd get a Mauser K98. If you're into newer stuff I'd get a rebuilt FAL.

For best value you basically have to keep a pulse on the market and buy whatever is currently coming in (which ain't much these days unfortunately). Last big batch of anything that seemed to come in was some Carcano's that were in decent shape. RTI has also been getting in a lot of random stuff from Ethiopia however most of that stuff is in atrocious shape. Basically imagine you left a stack of beat up guns in a wood shed for 50 years and then decided to start selling them off as "collectibles".
 
Basically imagine you left a stack of beat up guns in a wood shed for 50 years and then decided to start selling them off as "collectibles".

As someone who's ordered from them and to give alert to fellow forum members: they're actually not that bad. Some of them were treated with cosmoline, others not. But most of their C grade are still restorable and clean up nice.
B grade is basic surplus condition and there's plenty of that there as well.
 
As someone who's ordered from them and to give alert to fellow forum members: they're actually not that bad. Some of them were treated with cosmoline, others not. But most of their C grade are still restorable and clean up nice.
B grade is basic surplus condition and there's plenty of that there as well.
Depends on the gun. Enfields and mannlicher 88s seem pretty atrocious from what I’ve observed. Gras seem ok if you’re cool with “rare Ethiopian cut down model” and/or some parts missing. I saw an absolutely sweet Beaumont I’d love to have in my accumulation… I think they get a lot of hate because they’re flogging guns that were considered parts rifles a few years ago, for relatively top dollar prices. There are ok deals to be had if you do your homework though. Last thing I saw (and didn’t buy) was their assortment of Lugers for $1500-2500that are refinished Vopo examples, which until relatively recently were $800 guns.
 
I don't have the K31 Swiss or any Brit rifles. That is the next on the list. Problem for me is I reload and finding what I need is a little problematic. Biggest issues for me right now is primers. I am good with my M96 for now.
 
Mil surplus just isn't the bargain it used to be, the days of $99 Mosins are gone.
But today Swiss, Chilean & Turkish Mausers are still good values if you do your homework.
Used to own a '44 K98 and a Belgium mauser with Birmingham proof marks. K98 prices today are nuts.
Lots of fun but given today's prices for the rifles & ammo I'm out.
Don't wanna talk anyone out of owning an interesting piece of history but you'll pay more vs a modern optics ready bolt action in an easy to find caliber.
I remember when italian Carcanos started jumping up in price, when I was kid they were door stops and three boxes of ammo cost more than the rifle.
SKS prices are at least coming down and 7,62x39 ammo is common and cheap.
 
Forgot to mention my favorite vintage 'surplus' rifle, my .22lr Mossberg 42M-B Lend Lease rifle with proof marks. No, never seen combat but it's got a service record and cheap to buy & shoot. New production mags are available and you can even shoot .22shorts with the adaptor for the mag.
 
Mil surplus just isn't the bargain it used to be, the days of $99 Mosins are gone.
When you could get a few friends to all chip in on a crate of them, they were about $25-$30 per rifle. And lots of hex-receivers. Those days are really LONG gone!!!
 
Oh yeah, the SMLE was my first love, from the time I was a kid and me and my buddies would either watch war movies, play soldier, or play with toy soldiers. Whenever I saw one in a movie, I'd be like: "I'm gonna have one of those someday". For some reason, Mausers and M1's didn't capture my imagination. Although what I have is the closest thing to a collection, I've never tried to accumulate a large number of them. One from each maker is enough. But...I do have three Longbranches. One a gun show "sporter" so it don't count!! Dang Gunny, that's a BUNCH of them. !!
The thing is, I didn’t get into Enfields until 2007. I remember back in the mid 80’s when they were selling for $60 to $100. The model numbers were so confusing to me back then that I just didn’t buy them.

I guess you can say that after buying one, they grew on me. I have a few project Enfields that I need to get around to finishing up, I think I have about five to work on that are not in the photos.
 
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