Thinking of getting into a AR

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Well I'm on my way building my AR lower is complete I have Upper with dust cover and fwd assist waiting for barrel gas block. Next week I'll order hand guard and gas tube following week BCG and charging handle. Should be shooting in 3 weeks.
Shawn
 
Started with an M&P sport 2, absolutely loved it. ate anything I fed it and punched 1" groups at 100 yards (my range doesn't have any longer ranges than that). Just now starting to build my own, but using an already assembled upper from PSA and working on buying a lower here shortly....
Still have the M&P though, probably won't be letting go of it any time soon. I definitely think I got more than my money's worth out of it
 
Have done some net surfing and I'm down to Ruger AR 556 and SW M&P Sport ll. Ok I asked let me have it.

Both are reliable. If you intent to shoot irons, both are decent although I might recommend an upgraded rear sight.

If you intend to shoot optics, the plastic clam shell hand guard is less than ideal. You get a pretty big shift in point of impact when moving between positions or using a sling because the hand guard and sling mount are attached to the barrel and push it around. I've seen shifts of several MOA relative to bench zero. Irons don't have nearly as much problem because when you bend the barrel, the front sight moves with it.

If you plan to ever add optics I would seriously consider assembling (not building - it's just pushing in 2 pins the opposite of field stripping) from something like this:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/blem...ymod-freedom-upper-with-bcg-ch-516444643.html
and this:
http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-complete-blem-lower-classic-edition-no-magazine.html

It's a way to get a free float upper at about the same overall cost as the S&W and Ruger.
 
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Was thinking of getting into a AR I realize that there are many different makers/prices but I don't want to break the bank (yes I'm cheap not by choice but by bank account).
Have done some net surfing and I'm down to Ruger AR 556 and SW M&P Sport ll. Ok I asked let me have it.
Shawn
I have the Ruger. It's a darn fine shooter for the price. 1 MOA if I do my part. I have zero complaints with the Ruger. I was exactly where you are now a couple years ago. I wanted and AR but didn't know enough to take on a build. I would build one now in a minute but the Ruger was a great rifle to get my feet wet.

All that said the S&W would work well too. I just wanted to give you an opinion on a Ruger which is what you said you were looking at.

Jeff
 
Shawn_54 wrote:
That will be the way I go for now ...

No service experience have a few buddies who served and my father did a tour in Vietnam 1970...

Personally, I went the route of buying a factory gun first so that I would have a reference point, so I respect you for being willing to strike out on your own and learn as you go.

Where in Vietnam did your father serve? I ask becuase your father and mine might have been there together.
 
The rabbit hole is true my kids are putting in orders.
When I get mine done we will take stock of what works well and what needs improvement and start getting parts.
As far as where my father served he has mentioned but it doesn't come to mind I will ask him.
So far I've had little trouble with assembly except for space between deliveries as it stands I should be finished in 3 weeks.
Shawn
 
Personally, I went the route of buying a factory gun first so that I would have a reference point, so I respect you for being willing to strike out on your own and learn as you go.

Where in Vietnam did your father serve? I ask becuase your father and mine might have been there together.
He was there in 1970 in the south central highlands near Cambodia. I will say that when I got the box of parts it looked a little intimidating but the net is full of videos showing how to assemble I am a machinist by trade so I have a little experience in assembly. It makes me a little nervous when I start swinging a hammer on the pins but I take my time and think it thru so far so good.
Shawn
 
Shawn, if you are a machinist, you really need to build an 80% lower someday... Great way to get what you want w/o paperwork of any kind. Good second or third project as you drift along in this hobby :D
 
After I started this project I found many around me who have done that and I will consider that for next 2 builds.
Shawn
 
I went with the Ruger AR556 and never looked back. Fine platform. Either the S&W Sporter 2 or the Ruger AR556 would be great. I liked the fact that you got everything you needed to start using right out of the box. All I added was a Nikon 223 scope & mount and a sling. Thought about getting a 6.5 Grendel upper for deer hunting.
 
I really like the value of the S&W but living in NY state, they cannot sell to me. I have ordered and received a barrel and stripped upper from Right to Bear, and have ordered a BCG/charge handle and lower parts kit from PSA. Even PSA policy states they will not ship a complete upper or lower to NY. Lots of good youtube videos and good information on quality of parts and vendors on AR15.com
 
IMG_0579.JPG This is what I have so far 20" barrel my diy vise block and hand guard not attached yet in photo but is now charging handle is there and ordering bcg tomorrow.
Not to difficult to assemble hope to be shooting soon.
Shawn
 
Was thinking of getting into a AR I realize that there are many different makers/prices but I don't want to break the bank (yes I'm cheap not by choice but by bank account).
Have done some net surfing and I'm down to Ruger AR 556 and SW M&P Sport ll. Ok I asked let me have it.
Shawn

Before I read through a couple pages of replies, let me suggest a few things. First of all, short answer, the Colt 6920 is probably the best sub-$1000 AR on the market and it is a true fighting rifle.

Longer answer, mil-spec means something. Mil-spec is not end-all but it does provide a good base level of performance. ARs stack into 3 groups; mil-spec(-), mil-spec, and mil-spec(+). If a rifle has a 1:9 or slower twist, lacks a forward assist, doesn't have a carpenter steel bolt or a chrome lined bore and chamber, or has a commercial receiver extension, I tend to group it in the mil-spec(-) group. I recommend not going below mil-spec. Don't confuse mil-spec with "top of the line." Mil-spec should be viewed as "minimum acceptable standard." The military is buying things from lowest bidder. For sure you can find better AR-15s than the Colt. The military arrives at these minimum requirements because experience tells them that it is necessary for a rifle likely to see hard use.
Mil-spec would be rifles like the Colt that are built to military specifications. Some people might ask why this level of performance is necessary and perhaps if you're never going to rely on your rifle, it isn't. But the mil-spec requirements in terms of materials and specifications were not arrived at arbitrarily. This rifle has fifty years of learning experience behind it, many lessons learned in blood. If you ever aspire to maybe shoot competitively or stockpile a few rounds in case society implodes and you have to defend you castle, you'll sleep better knowing you invested in this minimum acceptable level of quality. Things like a forward assist are rarely needed, but when they are needed, they tend to really be needed. A non-carpenter steel bolt may last you a lifetime, or not. Mil-spec rifles tend to have 1:7 twist barrels that will give you better results using more effective heavy for caliber projectiles. So yeah, on a budget, I would by a Colt or known quality manufacture that offers mil-spec or better performance, even if it meant I had to run it with iron sights a little longer or skimp on the ninja accessories. The Colt in particular has decades of experience behind it. They know how to build a rifle of that type very well and it is comforting to know you have the MPI high vanadium steel barrel, ect.

 
Well in the end I decided to build the ar myself buying parts as I could afford.
After reading on this forum and many others I have come to 1 conclusion that depending what website you visit who makes the best parts.
That's why I did not list who's parts I used. This has been a real learning experience I have learned about gas tube length buffer weight and springs M4 feed ramps in uppers and barrel extensions and chrome. I even spent a few hours in a Army manual looking at basic field stripping cleaning and tests for functions.

To those who offered their opinions on which brand to choose I thank you for your time and effort because that was the original post. For those who suggested building one I thank you for the gentle shove off a cliff for which there is no return. My sons are now looking to see what they want in an AR.
Shawn
 
See you got what you wanted, and learned something along the way. Nobody's going to pull the wool over your eyes :D

Obviously you know that there are parts, then there are parts. If you have to run n gun all day long in Iraq, you need parts that will not break. Stateside, gee, if it quits it might be an inconvenience ...

You're doing well and you're doing it right. If you can, you should always build. That way you know your rifle inside and out :)
 
Just be forewarned, AR's are a disease, they will multiply and you will spend hundreds of dollars on accessories, because customizing a rifle is fun.
 
If you can, you should always build. That way you know your rifle inside and out :)

I'm with you. I bought my first AR. My second I bought a lower then an upper from PSA. Now I'm building one from a stripped lower to learn. After this I may do an 80% to really learn.

To me it's all about learning.
 
I'd rather purchase a complete AR and install a Timney myself. So if I have no desire to build an AR, does that make me an impotent bedwetting hoplophobe?
 
I'd rather purchase a complete AR and install a Timney myself. So if I have no desire to build an AR, does that make me an impotent bedwetting hoplophobe?
Only if it's true lol
Seriously I suspect most people buy them shoot a few times and have it "just in case" or occasionally

The the reality is that's one end of the spectrum with people who enjoying building them as a hobby the other end
 
I have one, bought it five years ago. It's got a nice scope, a Timney I installed and has been fired 100 times at most. Once in a blue moon I'll take it predator hunting in lieu of my .243.
 
Shawn.54 wrote:
I am a machinist by trade...

Now you tell us!

With that as a background, you should be able to assemble an AR blindfolded.

And, as expected, the rifle in post #39 looks very nice.
 
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