thoughts on left handed pumpgun

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to me moosberger shotguns are a entry level or a sometime hunters gun,they work. and i know the safety issue is real and have seen it my self,with the plastic safety breaking in half allowing the small ball bearing going south. and the local gunsmith has a small box filled with replacement safeties along with the little ball bearings. eastbank.
 
I was just expressing a my thoughts I have shot mossbergs and don't have a problem with them. I just like the feel of a remington better I had a ithaca ultra feather weight in 20 fastest pumpgun I ever fired I have killed 4 quail on a rise more than once I was more thinking out load than anything
I Also have enough time in manufacturing to know stuff gets through Q.C. and people who get that bad products make much more noise than the 100 people who get good products.
What I mentioned in the first post is what I believe will work best for Me based on my forty years of shooting I have a left handed 870 express the only real problem it has in my eyes is remington only makes one barrel for it
I would not feel undergunned with mossberg or remington with a left handed safety I prefer the remington . Which by the way still won't see as much carry time as my H&R single

I have a small home improvement project coming out of my tax check. If I don't run it to unexpected cost I will have Mr McGuire, a member here build me my Idea of an all around pumpgun .
Roy
 
to me moosberger shotguns are a entry level or a sometime hunters gun,they work. and i know the safety issue is real and have seen it my self,with the plastic safety breaking in half allowing the small ball bearing going south. and the local gunsmith has a small box filled with replacement safeties along with the little ball bearings. eastbank.

So, are you in the camp that says some safeties have failed or are you in the "every one ever made has broken?" And, that's a detent ball, not a ball bearing. Hey, if your smith stocks the metal part, there ya go.

Remingtons, Brownings, Ithacas (over priced), Winchesters, all pumps are "sometimes hunters". I hunted every week of duck season for a long time with my Mossbergs, younger then, not to mention the goose hunts and sometimes dove hunts. But, I'm no skeet shooter. I haven't seen any champion skeet shooters shooting pumps, usually have O/Us with "PERAZZI" written in big letters on the side. But, then, I'm not really into trap and skeet. Perhaps I missed the last Olympic champion that was shooting an 870 express.
 
I was just expressing a my thoughts I have shot mossbergs and don't have a problem with them. I just like the feel of a remington better I had a ithaca ultra feather weight in 20 fastest pumpgun I ever fired I have killed 4 quail on a rise more than once I was more thinking out load than anything

No quarrel with anyone, really, just the Mossberg bashers get to me when they make brash statements that are just untrue.

My uncle had an Ithaca 37 featherweight 16 gauge I used to love to borrow for duck hunting, back before I had to shoot steel. 16 is the odd man out now days, but that gun was light, quick, and fit me well although I didn't know a lot about fit at age 16. I like it better than the all steel Browning, lighter, quicker handling, but the Browning has the tang safety that so endears it to me. A lefty safety on the Ithaca and it'd be as nice a gun as it ever was. I liked my Winchester 1400 a LOT more once I found a left hand safety for it from Numerich Arms and had it installed.

My duck hunting has slowed a lot, not sure if it's age or probably more the fact that I went back to work this season and have been more into deer hunting on my days off, didn't involve much planning, just walk to the blind. On the flip side, I did kill 2 bucks and 3 pigs this fall and I jumped a few ducks off the tank to help quell my withdrawal symptoms. :D

I hope I'm staying on topic. I'm trying to keep this about lefty friendly right hand guns with ejection ports...the Mossberg IMHO being the best even if you feel a steel safety and a little loctite must be purchased...how expensive can THAT be? I paid 35 bucks for that lefty safety for the Winchester and paid a gunsmith 40 bucks to put it back together after I took it apart and couldn't put it back together. :rolleyes: Made it a lot better gun for me, though. I'll never sell it anyway, but I did keep the old safety...somewhere.
 
Go find that right hand safety. put it into a small plastic bag with a oiled patch and place it into the butt stock hole of the gun. Then you won't have to look for it if you should need it.
 
McGunner...Ithaca sells a left handed safety. It's an easy fix.
 
Thing that keeps me away from the new Ithaca is I can buy a decent autoloader for less that those things go for. In fact, the Franchi Instinct I kiinda like (O/U) is in the price range of the Ithaca, 1500 for the engraved, 1000 for the field grade. A gas gun is easier on the shoulder, kinda like 'em. :D

I don't know WHAT I'll get if I get anything next. But, O'Us have tang safeties and I don't own one........yet. :D
 
Ithacas are a little high but if I ever win the lottery I'm goin' to have a ithaca 28 ga :evil: I of the school of run what you are comfortable with. Hunting wise I can and have many times held my own hunting with guys shooting pumps or autos Hell the shotgun I've had the longest according to internet experts is the biggest P.O.S ever biult a smith & wesson 916 $125 new in 1975 in 81 alone I killed $2500 worth of fox with it Neather remington or mossberg would have sold 10 million plus if they were as bad as the internet experts claimed
This forum is called the high road for a reson
Roy
 
The new Ithaca's may be pricey but you are getting a shotgun that is made with steel, machined steel, not alloy or injection molded plastic, and Ithaca does not have stamped parts like other pump shotguns in the same price range.

If price scares you off, then go looking for a preowned/used one. Where I'm at they run in the $400 range for used. Much more if there are extra barrels or high grade wood. Some of the older skeet/trap models will command a much higher price. And as others said the left hand safety costs about $12.

plumberroy I have no idea where your at, but if you ever get the chance visit the factory in Upper Sandusky, Ohio you will find the nicest bunch of people there. They have all the models on display

and Zak the service manager will help you out with anything.
 
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i hunt and shoot the clay games and use two mec 9000,s a G and GH to keep up with the shells(a box of shells in 5 minutes). and i never see any moosberg,s there, if its a hunting gun you want,go for it. here,s some thing you will never see from a moosberg,at the grand american in 1950 RUDY ETCHEN broke a 100 straight doubles with a remington 870 and shot an other 100 straight doubles with the same remington 870 in 1982,32 years later. and there is a member at our club that shoots in the mid 40,s at sporting clays useing a stock remington 870. i,m not knocking the moosberg because it does not work as a hunting gun, as it does. but if you try to use it for the clay games(not a sometime thing) it will not hold up. some of out members shoot 10,000-15,000 shells a year. i don,t shoot quite that many. if you use your moosberg for hunting and shooting the clay games on a sometime basis you will not need another brand. eastbank.
 
If I shot clays, I'd want an O/U.

The new Ithaca's may be pricey but you are getting a shotgun that is made with steel, machined steel, not alloy or injection molded plastic, and Ithaca does not have stamped parts like other pump shotguns in the same price range.

What pumps shotguns are in that price range? I can think of a few O/Us and a bunch of autoloaders. Actually, some really good autos are less.

If I wanted a Ithaca, I'd get a Browning. It's heavier, little slower to the shoulder than the featherweight, made of steel, but it's an Ithaca with a proper tang safety and it's around 400 bucks. Hell, I can get the BPS 10 for a little over 600 bucks, would replace my H&R for goose duties.
 
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Remington WingMaster msrp $818

Browning BPS $699.99

Benelli Super Nova $669

One poster from another forum signs off with:

"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low
price has faded from memory" Aldo Gucci

They all go bang but they all carry differently and for my money I won't go with a inexpensive gun.
 
"The bitterness of poor quality is remembered long after the sweetness of low
price has faded from memory" Aldo Gucci


Sounds like ol' Oneounce, but at least he's in to high end doubles. An Ithaca wouldn't make a good down payment on what HE calls "quality". Sorry, Oneounce, but I had to bring you in to this. LOL! I mean, I appreciate quality, but I have often been accused by my wife of having champagne tastes with my beer pocket book. Besides, I've had good service and actually LIKE my Mossbergs, for some of my hunting, primarily ducks. I have my preferences toward my double for doves and my 10 gauge H&R for goose hunting.

Pumps are made for the low budget shooter, the hunter and such. If you like Ithacas, hey, I'm with ya, but I just ain't payin' MY hard earned cash for one when I like the Browning...even the Mossberg better, as a lefty shooter. It's all personal preference. Just strikes me as kinda weird one would get all snobby about PUMPS! I usually think of Purdey or Holland and Holland shooters in that vein.

I would be MUCH warmer on the thought of buying a 37 featherweight if they just took that cheap, budget crossbolt safety off it and put a tang safety on it, or at least offered the option for a little more. The 37 featherweight does handle superbly due to its weight, fast to the shoulder. Don't help if it's slowed down by that crossbolt safety, though. The Browning is a heavier gun, I'll grant you that, but it's lefty perfection.
 
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i am a left handed shooter and the moosberg is not any faster than a rem or ith when used this way, as you pull the rem-ith up use your gig-middle finger to push the right handed safety off. your hand is in the same postion as when useing the top safety on the browning or moosberg. with the win model 12 it may be alittle slower as the safety is in front of the trigger guard. in any event no game animal will get away no matter what safety you use, one or two seconds will not make a difference. its realy a non issue. the real reason i don,t change out safeties is a right hander may pick up or use it and not know the safety was off when they thought it was on.
 
i am a left handed shooter and the moosberg is not any faster than a rem or ith when used this way, as you pull the rem-ith up use your gig-middle finger to push the right handed safety off. your hand is in the same postion as when useing the top safety on the browning or moosberg. with the win model 12 it may be alittle slower as the safety is in front of the trigger guard. in any event no game animal will get away no matter what safety you use, one or two seconds will not make a difference. its realy a non issue. the real reason i don,t change out safeties is a right hander may pick up or use it and not know the safety was off when they thought it was on.


That's assuming your hand is near the trigger guard when it needs to be. I can grab the stock while my thumb naturally goes for the tang safety and it saves me time and I don't have to stand or sit there the whole time with my middle finger bent around the trigger guard. And, when I mount the gun, my fat trigger finger doesn't press the safety to the on position. That has happened to me when I was much younger and my finger was slim.

If I was forced by dictatorial law to use a crossbolt safety or nothing, I'd be forced to spend the bucks on a left hand safety, just like I did with my Winchester to the tune of 75 bucks before it was over. Glad I spent it, though, and the safety is out front on that gun, away from my trigger finger.

To each his own. I'm convinced the crossbolt safety is a tool of the devil. :D It's certainly a cheaper way to build a safety.
 
I believe that the Browning BPS is the only L/R handed shotgun with the tang operated safety on the market. I also believe they can be bought for just under $600.00 ($574.00). The Ithaca is bottom ejecting, however has the safety in the trigger guard. Hopefully I haven't duplicated this posting?! I realize the cost is a bit high for a pump, but the original question was "why doesn't anyone make a left handed pump?"
 
I've shot lefty all my life. I just curl my hand around the trigger guard, so that my trigger finger can push off the (right handed) safety as I raise the gun to my shoulder. In the army, I used my thumb to do so with the M16, and still beat everyone else to the hit. I dryfired practice every chance that I got. See, I knew enough to take some Hoppe's #9 and pieces of sheet, with me to basic training. While every one else was trying to "clean" their rifle with white oil, I was already done, and practicing with the rifle.

My squad leader knew what Hoppe's smelled like, and knew I was into guns. He came out of his room sniffing, and demanded that I give him some! Since he could stick me with various unpleasant "extra duties', I had to cut him in on the good stuff.

Millions of people all over the world, have had to deal with the horrendously slow to manipulate safety on the AK, while they are actually in combat zones. Almost to a man, what they do is keeo a rd chambered and the safety "off". They deal with safety issue by rigorously not having their finger inside of the trigger guard, unless firing is imminent. So for your once-in-a-lifetime Home Defense situation with the shotgun, you can do the same. For hunting, just do as I do with the safety.

Left handed guns not only cost more, but they are VERY hard to sell later. You''ll eat a lot of money if you do. Most buyers won't want it at any price.
 
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i don,t walk around hunting with my middle finger wrapped around the trigger guard,my shotgun is either cradled on my right arm and my left hand is on the grip or held in my left hand and as i can mulitask as i raise(cradled) the shotgun into the shooting postion,my right hand goes to the front pump handle to bring the shotgun tight into my shoulder while my left hand grips the grip and pushing the safety off with my middle finger. the same while carrying with just the left hand. i own and shoot two 37 ithaca the same way,only my model 12,s take a different type action to push the safety,s off. i would shoot against any one with the shotgun at the carry when the game took off and you would not be able to tell the difference. the safety should not be off untll you ID,ed the game and where your hunting friends are. these are non issues,even if you are 1-2 seconds slower no game animal will be out of range in that time. i have hunted rabbits with a pump shotgun with out a shell in the chamber and as the rabbit took off i pulled the triger on the empty chamber and racked the pump,chambering a live round and still killing the rabbit, try it, i know you can do it.eastbank.
 
the original question was "why doesn't anyone make a left handed pump?"
Ther was no original question just my rambling about what I think would work best for me . They do make a few lefty pumps I have an 870 left hand after shooting it a while I believe I want a right handed 870 with a left handed safety and am going to have AI&P tactical make me one sometime in the future
Roy

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