THR Remington 1858 Club

[bannockburn]

Driftwood

Thanks for another great photo essay!

 

[Roady]

I'd like to come late to the party. I have one with a HOWC Quick-release & a short conversion in work. I got the NC grips which were over-sized but very easy to modify to fit.:

 

[bannockburn]

Roady

Really like the grips on your '58! I have a pair of grips from them on my Beretta Stampede. They also required very minor fitting and look great on my gun.

 

[bannockburn]

Roady

My Pietta Model 1858 Navy and my Beretta Stampede with it's new grips.

 

[RevolverLover]

#1

#2


#3


#4


Photo#1
My original NMA, also made 1863 in November.

Photo#2
I also have a Pietta Remington 1858 NMA .44 cal. 8" barrel w/extra cylinder. Brand new 2 days ago Have'nt even fired it yet....

Photo#3
A Pietta Remington 1858 new model navy .36 cal. 5.5" barrel from 1981 (small frame/grips.)

Photo#4
A sweet mix.
From the top: Remington 1858 NMA .44 ( Nov.1863)
Middle: Colt 1851 navy repro from Armi san Paulo (1978-79)
Bottom: S&W SA Model 1 1/2 .32 CF (1873) Mint condition.

I just love BP revolvers, and the whole ritual of loading & capping, making paper cartridges etc.

Hope it's enough for the 1858 membership....?

BTW,
Can anyone recommend screwdrivers that are good for Remington 1858, the screw slot on these screws are so damn narrow... Have some screwdrivers from Grace Tools, but they are not optimal to the 1858.

Keep the powder dry!

Regards from
"The RevolverLover"

 

[drobs]

Pair of Pietta's 1858 NMA.

Need a better picture of this one:


Older brother:


Will get a group picture later this year.

 

[RevolverLover]

Beautiful revolvers!
The top one are brand new... right?
Are they both .44 cal?
I'm looking for a conversion cylinder, but they are hard to get here in Scandinavia.... unfortunately.
I don't think anyone here imports them......

 

[drobs]

Picked up the top one a few 3 or 4 months ago. Still haven't seen it in person yet though.
Next trip home will be Christmas time.

 

[RevolverLover]

I will have to take a photo, but I have two currently. first is a 5.5" Uberti .44 with the newer forged frame, and the second is a 5.5" Uberti in .38 Special. The .38 is due to arrive here in a few days and I am beside myself in anticipation!

I am looking for the right stainless steel 1858 to replace one I foolishly sold back in the 1970s. Taylor's is importing the 1858 in .38-40, which sounds like one to own as well.

I sold off a forged frame Uberti a couple of years ago that had a color case-hardened frame, another big mistake. I have come to the conclusion that Remmies are for keeping, not for selling!

You're so right, Remmies are for keeping and they last a lifetime or three.

 

[RevolverLover]

them are handsome!

Tell us the procedure please?

 

[RevolverLover]

Not just target revos actually... I'll go a bit 'off topic' to explain - all cartridge firing guns with a barrel of less than 12" and an overall length of 24" were banned from private ownership in the UK.

This change in law followed the tragic school shooting at Dunblane in Scotland where sixteen children and their teacher were shot dead by a licenced gun owner. All the handguns in that category were confiscated by the government and their owners paid cash compensation, which including the administration costs was estimated to have cost the country over £1bn. The stated aim was that such a tragedy could never occur again.

For carefully vetted Firearm certificate holders, we are still allowed muzzle loaders, manually operated centerfire rifles and carbines and semiauto rifles or carbines in .22RF only. Shotguns are also allowed and are separately licenced. A few historic handguns were also spared but can only be owned by bonafide collectors and they are not allowed to be kept in the home, nor used for any form of competitive shooting. They are stored at 'Historic Arms Centres' where the owners may 'visit' them and test fire them from time to time.

Anyway, back to the topic! D'ya like that modified Remmie??

It's totally insane that one man can ruin the hobbies and interests of thousands of law abiding Brits.

 

[RevolverLover]

My Newest Rem 58

This is one I picked up yesterday, was told before I got there it was Stainless, but still happy with it. I took it apart today for its first cleaning and again Lugi the nipple tightener at Pietta really torqued the heck out of them. The man I got it from received it as a gift from his son about 2 - 3 yrs ago and never fired it because he was scared of chain fire.

This is always like this with Pietta, I had to send my cylinder to a gunsmith to loosen the 2 of the nipples,
A friend of mine had to drill out the nipples from the cylinder, they were so tightly screwed in..... Why?

 

[DJ Die]

I've recently bought a slightly used Uberti Remingtion 1858 with target sights. It's a beauty althought a bit of handful compared to my 9mm semi. I'll try to take some good pictures when time permits.
Is there anyone else who owns one of the Uberti target models here? The one I bought is missing the rear sight blade and it should be easy enough to make a new one but I need the correct dimensions. Would you be kind enough to measure it for me? Thanks.

 

[Tommygunn]

This is always like this with Pietta, I had to send my cylinder to a gunsmith to loosen the 2 of the nipples,
A friend of mine had to drill out the nipples from the cylinder, they were so tightly screwed in..... Why?

Pietta uses Guido the Gorilla to assemble their guns.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Pietta uses Guido the Gorilla to assemble their guns.

Actually, I am the guy who started that joke. However, it was Uberti, and the gorilla's name was Bongo.

The Italians have been asked about this before. There are two reasons the screws are so tight in an Italian made replica. The first reason is the screws they use are made from very soft steel and the screws are not hardened. They use soft steel for their screws because they can make a bazillion of them without wearing out the tools as fast as they would if they used harder steel. The screws are not hardened after they come off the lathes, because it costs more to harden the screws. It is an extra operation. When a soft screw is torqued into a threaded hole of harder steel, the soft screw deforms more than a hardened screw will, and this means the softer screw grips the threads of the hole better than a harder screw will. Given the same amount of torque, a harder screw will always back out easier than a softer screw. Of course with the softer screw it is easier to damage the screw slot while trying to remove it.

The second reason is, the Italians simply torque their screws in harder than most American manufacturers because they do not want them to back out or loosen from the shock of recoil. That is simply what they do. I used to kid around about Bongo running around the factory at night with his torque driver over torquing all the screws he could find. Simply put, to back a screw out, it requires something on the order of 75% to 80% of the torque used to screw it in in the first place. I used to work for a defense contractor and we did a lot of studies of screw torque. So the more torque that Bongo uses to put the screw in in the first place, the more torque, or shaking, it will require to loosen it.

You can buy special hardened screws for Uberti revolvers from VTI Gunparts. I don't think they carry hardened screws for Pietta, but you could always ask them. They are very friendly and helpful on the phone.

http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/default.asp

Of course, to replace the soft screws you have to be able to get them out first.

 

[rodwha]

Some time back I had come across a post on one of these forums of a fella boring his chambers a bit deeper much like the ROA. Curious if anyone has done so and what they experienced.

As I found out my NMA and ROA have a specific powder charge they prefer despite what projectile I feed them. I'm curious if boring out the chambers effects that.

 

[Bill Akins]

Need a better picture of this one:

Fixed it in photoshop for you drobs. Your pic just needed more light. Here's your gun's pic again,....but improved. (You're welcome).



Here's my .44 caliber Uberti Remy with conversion cylinder I restored from the rusted and acid etched junker it was when I got it.

Before:


Another before:


After: (Not nickel not stainless, but highly polished "in the white", carbon steel.)




And my .44 caliber Uberti Remy carbine that is light, accurate and much fun to shoot.


And two unfired .44 caliber "1 of 5000" Pietta Remys I used to own....but sold because I don't want guns I don't or shouldn't shoot because they are collector items. Plus if you shoot those the gold will flake off the cylinders because it happened to me on an 1860 Pietta I have with a fluted gold cylinder, that I fixed by buying a stainless fluted cylinder even though Pietta sent me a new gold cylinder to replace the one that the gold flaked off. I'm a shooter more than a collector of collectible guns that shouldn't be shot. I guess that makes me a collector of shooters that I shoot. Lol.

 

[Crawdad1]

These are the screwdrivers that I used on my Remingtons. All are hollow ground.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1261179157/chapman-model-8900-27-piece-deluxe-screwdriver-set

 

[DJ Die]

Here's my Remington. As you can see, the loading lever was modified by the previous owner but other than that it's in very good shape. One has to respect how large those revolvers are compared to a modern semi-auto....

 

[ojh]

This is my brand new Remington Pattern Pedersoli Target. It cost 4 x my Pietta and 5 x my Navy Arms / Uberti Sincerely hope it will prove itself worth every hard-earned €uro.

 

[rodwha]

This is my brand new Remington Pattern Pedersoli Target. It cost 4 x my Pietta and 5 x my Navy Arms / Uberti Sincerely hope it will prove itself worth every hard-earned €uro.

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I'd most certainly like to hear how it compares, and if you can I'd like to see bore and chamber dimensions and twist rate if possible.

To spend that kind of money on one I assume you compete. If so at what distance(s) do you shoot and what load(s) do you use in what you've been using?

 

[ojh]

Well maybe the right wording would be 4 x my Pietta or 5 x my Navy Arms But still a lot of dope.

Still haven't fired the thing, but good quality can be seen and felt just by handling it. I do compete in national matches that follow MLAIC rules. This gun will be used in two disciplines. "Mariette" is 25 meters, ISSF precision pistol target, 13 shots in 30 minutes of which 10 best hits count. And "Donald Malson" which is otherwise similar but the distance is 50 meters. To this day I've been using the Pietta but felt seriously handicapped by its lousy trigger, at least that will change now. Just for fun I've started to shoot also CAS with cap & balls but the Pedersoli will stay out of that business, Pietta and Navy Arms will be used for close range blasting

With the Pietta I've been using .457 roundballs and 19 grains of #2 Swiss, polenta filler, lithium grease on top of the ball. With Pedersoli I'm about to start with the same load but try first .454 balls that are recommended by the manufacturer.

 

[bannockburn]

ojh

Great looking Remington! Hope it shoots as nice as it looks!

 

[rodwha]

Well maybe the right wording would be 4 x my Pietta or 5 x my Navy Arms But still a lot of dope.

Still haven't fired the thing, but good quality can be seen and felt just by handling it. I do compete in national matches that follow MLAIC rules. This gun will be used in two disciplines. "Mariette" is 25 meters, ISSF precision pistol target, 13 shots in 30 minutes of which 10 best hits count. And "Donald Malson" which is otherwise similar but the distance is 50 meters. To this day I've been using the Pietta but felt seriously handicapped by its lousy trigger, at least that will change now. Just for fun I've started to shoot also CAS with cap & balls but the Pedersoli will stay out of that business, Pietta and Navy Arms will be used for close range blasting

With the Pietta I've been using .457 roundballs and 19 grains of #2 Swiss, polenta filler, lithium grease on top of the ball. With Pedersoli I'm about to start with the same load but try first .454 balls that are recommended by the manufacturer.

Which Pietta model have you been using (assume it's a target or shooter's model). I'm curious what you've been getting and with what loads.

By #2 Swiss you mean 3F? Curious why you chose that granulation.

 

[ojh]

Here are my other Remmys. Pietta on top, Navy Arms / Uberti below. The latter is a 36. After taking this photo both have been equipped with new dovetailed front sights.

Which Pietta model have you been using (assume it's a target or shooter's model). I'm curious what you've been getting and with what loads.

Neither, as seen it's a cheap plain jane 1858 without progressive rifling or adjustable backsight, the latter would not even be allowed by MLAIC rules. Still I've been quite pleased with Pietta's mechanical accuracy, locks up tight etc. But the trigger is quite awful, heavy and creepy. (I own top quality competition pistols for other disciplines so I am somewhat spoiled with excellent triggers.) Been trying to very carefully lighten and shorten the pull and made a little progress, but the parts appear quite soft and it is obvious that it can never be made very crisp.

I've been using the 19 grain, 457 ball load as long as I've been competing. The best Mariette score I've shot in a match is 90, that gave me bronze in Finnish National Championships. A typical competition score for me is around 86; the best training score is 93. (All these are the best 10 of 13.) In BP matches losing a couple of points may bring you down half a dozen places, so if I can yank the scores up even a little with the Pedersoli it can make a big difference.

By #2 Swiss you mean 3F? Curious why you chose that granulation.

Yes, Swiss #2 is FFF. I chose it because Poudrerie d'Aubonne recommends it for BP revolvers, and that's what everybody else is using too. Monkey see, monkey do... I use it also in my Pedersoli Carleton single shot pistol.