Tisas safety recall on certain 1911 models

[dogtown tom]

SAFETY RECALL NOTICE REGARDING TISAS 1911 PISTOLS

 

[drobs]

 

[Spats McGee]

Thanks, @dogtown tom

 

[Lennyjoe]

Yea thanks for the heads up. I have the Duty model but it doesn’t fall under the listed recall above

 

[S.Crockett]

Well, it is Tisas.

None of my Colts ever got recalled.

 

[dogtown tom]

Well, it is Tisas.

None of my Colts ever got recalled.

You sure?

Colt's Manufacturing Company LLC has determined that the Slide Lock Safety and the Recoil Spring Guide Pad in certain Colt model pistols were not manufactured to Colt specifications and must be replaced. All of these Colt models were sold after March 2007 and the range of serial numbers affected by this product recall is as follows:

1911 WWI Replica (O1911) From: 4597WMK To: 5414WMK
1918 WWI Replica (O1918) From: 1001WWI To: 3431WWI
New Agent (O7810D) From: GT01001 To: GT04505
Combat Elite (O8011XSE) From: CG10000E To: CG11293E
Defender (O7000D) From: DR33036 To: DR35948
Talo Night Defender (O7000NDF) From: NDF0001 To: NDF0400

And...........

COLT
MODEL JUNIOR COLT,
25 AUTO CALIBER, PISTOL

RECALL: It has come to our attention that some of the small pocket automatic pistols marketed by Colt in 25 ACP between 1957 and 1973 (these have serial numbers ending in CC or beginning with OD) are susceptible to accidental discharge if improperly carried with a round in the chamber and dropped or otherwise carelessly handled. This is because of the type of firing mechanism in these pistols. Some of these pistols were marked "Junior Colt/Cal. 25," others "Made in Spain for Colt," and still others " Colt Automatic/Cal. 25."
COLT WILL MODIFY THE FIRING MECHANISM OF THESE PISTOLS FREE OF CHARGE. This modification will substantially reduce the possibility of accidental discharge.
If you own one of these pistols, please notify Colt in writing (see below) but do not return the pistol at this time. You will be given further details and instructions as to when and how to ship your firearm to Colt. We will replace the firing pin and the firing pin spring, and return the gun as promptly as possible.
Please do not delay in writing to us. Meanwhile, carry your pistol only with an empty chamber.



COLT
380 AUTO CALIBER, SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL
RECALL: We are incorporating a safety improvement on all Colt 380 semiautomatic pistols that we are now manufacturing. We are offering this same opportunity to all owners of Colt 380 semi-automatic pistols free of charge.
It has come to our attention that the sear spring may be bent in some Colt 380 autos. Where this occurs there is a possibility that the sear spring will become unseated from the base of the receiver which could result in accidental discharge.
To hold the sear spring in place, Colt will send you a 380 Auto improvement kit, which includes a spring clip and instructions for attaching the clip to the sear spring. Once the spring clip is installed the sear spring cannot come loose. This is a simple but effective safety modification.
This important message applies to all Colt 380 autos in the current series first introduced in 1982. If a spring clip has already been installed, it will appear in the magazine well as a yellow piece of metal attached to the sear spring.
To obtain the spring clip we ask that all owners of Colt 380 semiautomatic pistols contact us now by calling our special toll-free number below, available Monday through Friday between 8 AM and 5 PM, Eastern Time. Colt will send you a spring clip and complete instructions for quick, easy installation. There is no charge for this service. In the meantime we urge that you do not use your Colt 380 auto until you make this change.

COLT
MODEL ALL AMERICAN,
9MM LUGER CALIBER, PISTOL

RECALL: It has come to Colt’s attention that All-American double action pistols with serial numbers:

Letter A prefix or suffix
RA01001 – RA01052
RK00001 – RK03000
RM01001 – RM01005
PF01005 – PF24248

MAY ACCIDENTALLY DISCHARGE IF STRUCK OR DROPPED

A blow to the rear of the slide while a round is in the chamber can cause the pistol to discharge. The firing mechanism of these pistols will be modified free of charge, and thereby reduce the possibility of accidental discharge resulting from a blow.

MEANWHILE, ALL OWNERS AND SHOOTERS OF THESE PISTOLS ARE CAUTIONED:

Carry this pistol ONLY with the chamber empty.
Never chamber a round until immediately before you are ready to fire.
Always control your pistol so as to prevent its being dropped or struck a blow, especially with a round in the chamber.
If you own one or more of these pistols write to Colt and give them your name, address and pistol serial number of each All-American pistol you own.



COLT
MODEL COMMANDER,
45 AUTO CALIBER, PISTOL

WARNING: This make and model pistol may have the potential for UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGE.

When the hammer is lowered to the half cock position while a live cartridge is in the chamber, the sear can come to rest on the edge of the half cock safety notch. In this position, when the pistol is jarred, the hammer can slip off the tip of the sear. This will allow the hammer to fall causing an unintentional discharge of the pistol.





COLT
MODEL CLR3064SRBL,
30-06 SPRINGFIELD CALIBER, LIGHT RIFLES

WARNING: In some rifles, the firing pin may fail to cock, and thus rest on the primer of a chambered cartridge making an accidental drop and discharge possible. Colt is requesting all gun dealers return this model immediately. Colt further states other calibers of the Light Rifle are not effected.

And......

Colt’s Manufacturing Company LLC (Colt) has recently discovered a potential safety issue with certain of its semi-automatic only Modern Sporting Rifles (“MSR”). Colt is voluntarily initiating a recall to protect the safety of its customers because of the potential for certain MSRs to discharge unintentionally and because of its commitment to the highest standards of quality and customer satisfaction.

To prevent the possibility of death or serious personal injury, you should immediately stop using your MSR and not load or fire it until you have determined if it is affected, and it has been upgraded if necessary.

Under certain conditions, it is possible that some Colt MSRs may discharge a second round when the trigger is released with a live round in the chamber. Colt has identified the cause of this condition as being hammers installed in certain MSRs that do not meet Colt’s specifications. The issue will be corrected by replacing the hammer in affected MSRs.

The recall only covers the following MSRs manufactured beginning on March 5, 2021: AR15A4, CR6700A4, CR6920, CR6920-EPR, CR6920MPS-B, CR6921, CR6921-EPR, CR6933, CR6933-EPR, CR6960, LE6920-EPR, LE6920MPS-B, LE6920-OEM1, LE6920-OEM2, LE6920-R, LE6933-EPR, SP633784, and LE6920SOCOM. These MSRs could still be for sale at dealers TODAY.

 

[Otto]

My Duty 1911 “doubles” about every 8 rounds but it isn’t on the list. Being unable to control every round, makes the gun unsafe. Attempted to return it for repairs but customer service made the process burdensome…two different RMA submissions, original receipt, photo scan of driver’s license, etc etc. And if they don’t find an issue, they charge $60.
Because SDS Imports is a distributor (not a manufacturer), I chose to have my own smith handle it.

 

[S.Crockett]

You sure?

And...........


And......

You said Colt 25 AUTO ….

Mine aren’t on those lists, …

 

[Boom Vang]

My Colt 01918 went back for the recall, no problem. No manufacturer is immune from a screw up.

 

[Boom Vang]

My Duty 1911 “doubles” about every 8 rounds but it isn’t on the list. Being unable to control every round, makes the gun unsafe. Attempted to return it for repairs but customer service made the process burdensome…two different RMA submissions, original receipt, photo scan of driver’s license, etc etc. And if they don’t find an issue, they charge $60.
...

I had a similar tortious run around with an SDS MAC 2 shotgun that was not functioning with Winchester factory 00 buckshot. They don't make returns easy, require your driver's license, and in my case required it to be shipped from an FFL, although that is not required by any state or federal law. Then they will argue with you about what the law requires, and get it wrong.

PS. After "repair" it still doesn't function with Winchester 00 buck. Maybe it's an ammo issue.

Based on that experience, I'm wary of buying anything further from them.

 

[AlexanderA]

I see that the Tisas 1911 ASF (Armed Services Family) -- the WW2 clone -- is not included in the recall. I'm going to pick one up at my FFL dealer tomorrow, and then I plan to post an exhaustive comparison of that to my WW2 Remington-Rand original. This should be interesting.

 

[hoardingthemanual]

this is disheartening. i was keeping an eye open for a deal on the match ss 45. i currently own the d10. i hope a recall isn't issued for that model.

 

[AlexanderA]

My Duty 1911 “doubles” about every 8 rounds but it isn’t on the list. Being unable to control every round, makes the gun unsafe.

If a gun doubles (fires two rounds with a single pull of the trigger) -- whether intentionally or not -- it technically falls within the definition of a machine gun. Mull this over for a minute. If the ATF chose to pursue this, they could charge you with a felony for even momentary possession. And because of the rule that "once a machine gun always a machine gun," this could continue to haunt you even after the gun has been repaired.

Thank goodness that the ATF is (mostly) made up of reasonable people.

 

[ontarget]

If a gun doubles (fires two rounds with a single pull of the trigger) -- whether intentionally or not -- it technically falls within the definition of a machine gun. Mull this over for a minute. If the ATF chose to pursue this, they could charge you with a felony for even momentary possession. And because of the rule that "once a machine gun always a machine gun," this could continue to haunt you even after the gun has been repaired.

Thank goodness that the ATF is (mostly) made up of reasonable people.

So if a gun malfunctions it can be labeled as an MG?
So if I mag dump my AR until it gets so hot it cooks of a few rounds it's now an MG?
That doesn't sound right to me.
Seems like a malfunction is just that, a malfunction.
ETA I have been known to ride the ragged edge of trigger reset and get a surprise double with only 1 intentional pull of the trigger. Is my gun now an NFA item?

 

[AlexanderA]

So if a gun malfunctions it can be labeled as an MG?

Well, all I can do is quote the relevant law:

26 U.S.C. § 5845(b)​

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For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:​

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• Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger

This is one of those things that is open to administrative abuse, if the agency wanted to push the envelope.

But to argue the other side, what if a user lightened the sear engagement to the point where the gun habitually "malfunctioned"? Couldn't a case reasonably be made that this was an unregistered machine gun?

In the early days of the AR, people discovered that they could get doubles (or even uncontrolled auto fire) simply by removing the disconnector and allowing hammer follow-down. This realization caused a panic at Colt and the ATF, resulting in Colt pulling the gun off the market for a couple of years. When Colt reintroduced the AR, it was with a notched hammer and beveled bolt carrier, so that it would hopelessly jam if the disconnector was removed. (This hiatus in the availability of the AR-15 gave an opening in the market for the rival AR-180, but that's another story.)

 

[halfmoonclip]

A late buddy used to get his 10-22 really dirty, at which point it would fire bursts, to his enormous entertainment.
Moon

 

[ontarget]

But to argue the other side, what if a user lightened the sear engagement to the point where the gun habitually "malfunctioned"? Couldn't a case reasonably be made that this was an unregistered machine gun?

If the user tampered with the mechanism to the point of failure, it's totally different than a malfunction in a factory stock pistol that is NOT designed to violate the NFA rules.
If one purposely makes their gun full auto then of course they are on the wrong side of the law. But a malfunction can't possibly put the owner in legal trouble.
Ok, if a gun is manufactured as an MG, it's an MG forever.
If I get a double fire from my 1911 it does not make it an MG. Unsafe, sure. Illegal? IDK.

 

[AlexanderA]

If the user tampered with the mechanism to the point of failure, it's totally different than a malfunction in a factory stock pistol that is NOT designed to violate the NFA rules.
If one purposely makes their gun full auto then of course they are on the wrong side of the law. But a malfunction can't possibly put the owner in legal trouble.
Ok, if a gun is manufactured as an MG, it's an MG forever.
If I get a double fire from my 1911 it does not make it an MG. Unsafe, sure. Illegal? IDK.

Like all things NFA, "intent" has nothing to do with it. Nor does it matter if it was the factory, or the user, which caused the condition. The only question is whether a single pull of the trigger causes two or more shots.

But, in my experience at least, ATF agents are reasonable people (as a general rule). If it's a bona fide malfunction, they won't pursue the matter. But if it's a deliberate "malfunction," they might.

 

[ontarget]

Like all things NFA, "intent" has nothing to do with it. Nor does it matter if it was the factory, or the user, which caused the condition. The only question is whether a single pull of the trigger causes two or more shots.

But, in my experience at least, ATF agents are reasonable people (as a general rule). If it's a bona fide malfunction, they won't pursue the matter. But if it's a deliberate "malfunction," they might.

Ok, since I don't have any experience with our fine ATF agents, and hope I never do, I will have to take your word for it.
Now what are people supposed to do if their gun double fires? Register it as a MG? Have it destroyed according to ATF protocol? Or can they get it repaired?
You said "once a machine gun always a machine gun" but I still don't see how a malfunction somehow makes a gun that was a pistol into an NFA item.
And I'm NOT talking about a purposely caused malfunction by someone trying to work around the system.

 

[AlexanderA]

You said "once a machine gun always a machine gun" but I still don't see how a malfunction somehow makes a gun that was a pistol into an NFA item.

Let's say that someone installs a "Glock switch." That clearly makes his Glock pistol into a machine gun. Now, let's say that the person removes the Glock switch. The pistol is still a machine gun. If the authorities can prove that a Glock switch was ever installed on the pistol, the owner can be convicted for possession of an unregistered machine gun.

That's obviously a deliberate action. But the same rationale applies where a "malfunction" causes multiple firings. (Remember, "intent" is not relevant to NFA violations.) My advice would be to get it repaired as soon as possible, and hope you don't draw the attention of the authorities.