Turkish M1911A1's for the Civilian Marksmanship Program

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Those Turks get around, don't ya know :D

"Tisas USA, a division of SDS Imports, the internationally recognized firearms manufacturer that provides high quality firearms at unrivaled value is pleased to announce a partnership with the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP).

Tisas is the first commercial manufacturer to build a 1911 pistol for CMP. The Tisas M1911 A1 is a museum-grade reproduction of a mid-war M1911A1 as it was issued during the Second World War, will also be available in the CMP version, which will have the CMP logo on it, and sold exclusively through CMP stores."

https://thecmp.org/tisas-partners-wi...d-1911-pistol/
 
Slater said:
Those Turks get around, don't ya know :D

"Tisas USA, a division of SDS Imports, the internationally recognized firearms manufacturer that provides high quality firearms at unrivaled value is pleased to announce a partnership with the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP).

Tisas is the first commercial manufacturer to build a 1911 pistol for CMP. The Tisas M1911 A1 is a museum-grade reproduction of a mid-war M1911A1 as it was issued during the Second World War, will also be available in the CMP version, which will have the CMP logo on it, and sold exclusively through CMP stores."

https://thecmp.org/tisas-partners-wi...d-1911-pistol/
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hopefully they will put a red dot on it
 
Mark_Mark said:
it’s going to made in Turkey for a proud American organization CMP, … no other takes, Colt, Ruger, Smith, … heck even HiPoint would be cooler…

So yes, If they put a RMR cut on it… 1st in line!
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Or Fusion, or SA, heck even Rock Island (Phillipines) would have been better, IMO.
 
Different handgun “angle” here, but the Turkish Canik handgun factory bought machinery from Walther in 🇩🇪Ulm Germany, and was supervised, at least for a while, by German technicians?

Caniks became quite popular here and iirc apparently are high quality.

Where did a Turkish company acquire tooling for the 1911?
 
Ignition Override said:
Different handgun “angle” here, but the Turkish Canik handgun factory bought machinery from Walther in 🇩🇪Ulm Germany, and was supervised, at least for a while, by German technicians?

Caniks became quite popular here and iirc apparently are high quality.

Where did a Turkish company acquire tooling for the 1911?
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They didn’t!
They use CNC machines that use a computer program to machine the parts.
The programs are essentially open source now.
I’ve got three Tisas M1911’s. They’re substantially better than ‘70’s -‘90’s colts.
My Tisas “Service “ M1911 .45, shoots 2.5” groups at 25yds with a 200gr SWC over 4.5gr of Bullseye. The other two are 9mm’s and shoot RMR match winners under 2”. They don’t “rattle” either…
 
Roverguy said:
Cool promo. Great price.

The Turks will be making quality long range rifles in a few years.
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Couple reasons they might not be selling any here anytime soon.

First, there is no Turkish civilian domestic market for centerfire rifles. Shotguns are pretty much unregulated, and handgun permits are easy to get if you know and bribe the right people- but centerfire rifles are strictly verboten to anyone outside the military.

Secondly, there are much stricter import/export restrictions on centerfire rifles. Jumping those hoops adds cost to budget guns so they don't compete as well with domestics in the same class.
 
I've removed several post which either included politics or quoted post with politics....which is in violation of the rules members agreed to when they signed up for this forum.

If your post is missing, now you know why.

I don't want to keep trimming this thread, so if it continues, the thread will be closed...just fair warning
 
A CMP commemorative edition 1911 does absolutely nothing for me. I have a Tisas "U.S. Army" 1911 that was a blemished gun sold for under $300. The blemish is simply the slide and frame are slightly off color. It is reliable and well made for the price. But again, simply getting the same gun with a CMP stamp on it is "meh" for me. Good for the CMP and I hope they sell 'em. But I won't be buying it.
 
I saw a post on 1911forum to the effect that CMP plans to put Tisas slides on American receivers left over when the Army ran out of spare parts. It's a story, anyhow.
 
Miami_JBT said:
A CMP commemorative edition 1911 does absolutely nothing for me. I have a Tisas "U.S. Army" 1911 that was a blemished gun sold for under $300. The blemish is simply the slide and frame are slightly off color. It is reliable and well made for the price. But again, simply getting the same gun with a CMP stamp on it is "meh" for me. Good for the CMP and I hope they sell 'em. But I won't be buying it.
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it’s going to be $480?!?! I think

I’ll get one sale and sand blast it!

skip to 4:45
youtu.be

Next Great American Gun Company? - TGC News!

This week on TGC News, a mexican 1911, a turkish 1911 and an ultra fancy double stack 1911 from a company that used to be a meme.DEAL of the WEEK: Vortex Def...
youtu.be youtu.be
 
Mark_Mark said:
it’s going to be $480?!?! I think

I’ll get one sale and sand blast it!

skip to 4:45
youtu.be

Next Great American Gun Company? - TGC News!

This week on TGC News, a mexican 1911, a turkish 1911 and an ultra fancy double stack 1911 from a company that used to be a meme.DEAL of the WEEK: Vortex Def...
youtu.be youtu.be
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I read the description and it mentioned a "Mexican 1911". It's most definitely not a Mexican 1911, I was hoping Mexico was finally going to start exporting firearms.
 
rdnktrkr said:
I wonder what the difference is between the $300 Tisas 1911 and this CMP version?
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It's my understanding that what SDS/TISAS USA is making for the CMP is a version of their "US ARMY" 1911A1 (with is different from the "Service Version") with every marking but the Ordnance Bomb, and with the CMP logo on the slide or frame. Part of the price is a donation to the CMP, too (IIRC).

It represents a way fr CMP to provide affordable "to mil spec" 1911A1 to the general public--for marksmanship purposes--for far less than what the historical collectibles sell for (which is north of a grand at entry level). The restored military issue pistols have more collector value than as shooters. And when "marksmanship" is on your masthead, this can matter.
 
That would be a lot cooler if they could sandblast the frame after putting the rollmarks on, before parkerizing, so they are washed out like the originals, then stamp the serial number and a couple of military looking "proof" and "acceptance" stamps through the finish in a few spots it could look a lot more authentic without being a fake. Something like a flying bomb instead of a flaming bomb and parallel cannons instead of crossed, etc.
The problem with the repro's even aside from missing markings and outright wrong parts is they are all too perfect, the real deal was being pounded out by the thousands per day, they all had various tooling marks, minor machining oopsies, washed out roll marks, misaligned or partial stamps, etc...
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CapnMac is correct and exactly why. Better than Colt someone said, do tell. If you're happy with repros ok. I'm happy with my Colts and RemRands. Nothing against CMP. Bought many a fine milsurp from them back in late 90s early 2000s. In for a round 4 1911 shooter after getting one in round1...
 
silicosys4 said:
That would be a lot cooler if they could sandblast the frame after putting the rollmarks on, before parkerizing, so they are washed out like the originals, then stamp the serial number and a couple of military looking "proof" and "acceptance" stamps through the finish in a few spots it could look a lot more authentic without being a fake. Something like a flying bomb instead of a flaming bomb and parallel cannons instead of crossed, etc.
The problem with the repro's even aside from missing markings and outright wrong parts is they are all too perfect, the real deal was being pounded out by the thousands per day, they all had various tooling marks, minor machining oopsies, washed out roll marks, misaligned or partial stamps, etc...
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Heck Yeah!!!! I was looking at videos on how to ago a gun. soak in vinegar and use steel wool to get the look. Another was, put steel wool in your holster and it will wear naturally
 
Mark_Mark said:
Heck Yeah!!!! I was looking at videos on how to ago a gun. soak in vinegar and use steel wool to get the look. Another was, put steel wool in your holster and it will wear naturally
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I had an unissued WW2 RR for a time, it was VERY cool as a time capsule but wasn't the vibe I was going for as a milsurp. I've got my number in for Round 4 of the CMP 1911 release, those come in a nice case, pre aged the right way.
 
I could have saved myself a lot of money trying to find a cheap 1911-A1 about 20 years ago if these had existed. Instead I spent 1600 bucks on two Gov't model Colt's and still didn't have a 1911-A1. I finally purchased a CMP 1911 A1 about 4 years ago for and sold my Gov't model Colts.

If CMP can make that happen for a quality repro for <$500, then good on them. The marketing is genius and I'm sure they will sell as many as they think they will, probably more.

I'm going to buy another surplus 1911 from CMP when R4 opens up. I liked the 1st service grade I received in R1. I'll be looking for a field grade this time. I would have purchased another one earlier but didn't know about the two limit until recently.
 
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CoalTrain49 said:
I could have saved myself a lot of money trying to find a cheap 1911-A1 about 20 years ago if these had existed. Instead I spent 1600 bucks on two Gov't model Colt's and still didn't have a 1911-A1. I finally purchased a CMP 1911 A1 about 4 years ago for and sold my Gov't model Colts.

If CMP can make that happen for a quality repro for <$500, then good on them. The marketing is genius and I'm sure they will sell as many as they think they will, probably more.
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the Price is So right too!!! and they shoot! here my A1 Service with 200gn Speer SWC

about 5 yards

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