U.S. legislator warns of Bush plot to merge Canada, the U.S. and Mexico

[crazed_ss]

The other day I went to the Autoshow in Los Angeles. I remember going to these as a kid. Of course in those days it was pretty much an American show; now, from what I could see, the American automakers were minor players in what has become a Japanese-dominated industry. If we don't want to understand how exactly this came about and what it implies for our future, we are sliding toward becoming a large but marginal nation, more an "India" than an "America."

Well.. there's a reason for that. America builds a substandard product when it comes to cars.. and before you call me a traitor, I drive a 360whp Camaro SS and a Chevy Cavalier. I drive the Camaro because the LS1 engine and T-56 Transmission are awesome.. I drive the Cavalier because I got an extremely good deal on it. Frankly, these cars suck.

It's no wonder the Japanese have become such big players in the auto industry.

 

[Zoogster]

All BS. Canada is already America #2 where many draft fleeing, extreme left pro socialist, hippy sympathizing, tree hugging college students (likely having lived in big cities most of thier lives) have resettled to and can create policies without that silly thing called the constitution slowing them down. It is an extension of American, joins jointly with America in every American conflict, and is so economicly tied to America with a similar history to America that it is simply a variation of its rich neighbor the USA.
Mexico is the cheap neighbor without the environmental restrictions or pollution controls in the USA that American factories are able to exploit doing thier dirty work in. It is also a dependent nation filled with corruption and corrupt values that make it a perfect puppet and scapegoat, important uses to American politicians and businessmen alike.
At the same time it is the source of legal slave labor allowing people to get by providing no benefits and wages an American could not survive on, which would not be the case if it was formaly part of America.
Of course this greed is leading to the dilution of American values through over immigration of one particular culture that can populate entire neighborhoods across the country where they can speak thier own language, continue the same culture and values that make Mexico a failure and remain Mexicans instead of integrating and self identifying as Americans..but that is long term, and we think short term.

In short American interests, or at least the interests of those that fund our politics are already better met by our current borders. We have such a high influance over the economy of our neighbors that we might as well consider them ours already, yet to our north leftists can experiment with Socialism and fine tune it before applying it to America, and to our south right wing big business supporters can exploit lax restrictions to maximize profits (NAFTA etc).
Thinking our leaders would want to change this setup is silly as both parties funding is represented by people that benefit from current borders.

 

[Jerry Morris]

Art wrote

And, after all, ain't that a very common Libertarian idea? Private sector toll roads?

Not really. Libertarians are not all that keen on imminent domain. It is viewed as legalized theft. If these mysterious entities actually owned the land the highway goes through, it might be arguable. Then one could point at the loss of farm land and the product it produces.

Nope, it does not have a Libertarian feel at all to it.

Jerry

 

[jcoiii]

If this goes to the final conclusion of an NAU, small groups of families and friends will not be adequate to resist.

 

[Jerry Morris]

If this goes to the final conclusion of an NAU, small groups of families and friends will not be adequate to resist.

I think it would take a large chunk of the Chinese PLA to make it stick. There are many who would chase the tyrant(s) that would dare to overthrow the Constitution, in pure overt fact. At least it is still given lip service today.

The Iraqi are doing a fair job of acting up on their turf. I think the "trouble-makers" here can do as well, or better. My blood goes back to the DOI. You will see the name there, along with another, Benjemin Rush. I think I can work up some steam for such a purpose.

Live Free, or Die.

Jerry

 

[longeyes]

Well.. there's a reason for that. America builds a substandard product when it comes to cars..

I don't question that--I favor Hondas myself--but I think anatomizing this problem will tell us all we need to know about why America is slipping and what we need to do to come back.

 

[Thin Black Line]

America builds a substandard product when it comes to cars.

Not when it comes to Jeep and I'm on my third. Over the years I've
driven a lot of other vehicles including a handful of "luxury" imports
and I haven't felt anything was lacking since I made the change.

 

[Joe Demko]

I, for one, will sleep better tonight knowing you guys are on top of this.

 

[Jerry Morris]

I, for one, will sleep better tonight knowing you guys are on top of this.

Not I, there is trouble brewing and I am unhappy about it!

Jerry

 

[Zero_DgZ]

Bush can't even manage to snuff out a handful of Iraqis, who honestly thinks that as a lame duck he can swing something like this? Sounds like tin-foil hat territory to me.

Eventual threat? Maybe. More "ammunition" to demonize Dubya? Not even close.

(Like we needed any more anyway...)

 

[Waitone]

Bush is merely the figurehead. Both parties support the initiative as evidence by their supposed ignorance of what is going on. You can not tell me the chairpersons of the house and senate Commerce Department oversight committees are ignorant of SPP. I may be dumb, but I ain't stupid. Acting ignorant allow one to avoid answering questions.

Both parties are up to their belts in the initiative. This is not a partisan issue. It is an issue of "them" vs "us".

 

[robertbank]

"that it is simply a variation of its rich neighbor the USA."

The US is the largest debtor nation in the world with little hope of ever repaying it's massive debt and you call yourself the "rich" neighbour!

Sorry we will pass on political union. Friends yes, allies, absolutely but no thanks on the political union. Kind of thought we settled that issue back in 1812.


"Then I suppose we could just seal off the Mexican and Canadian borders and be done with it?".... I think a U.S. dollar being lower than the Canadian will be a shock no one is prepared for."

Well in a way that is what Bush and your Congress have set in motion along the 49th now. Passports to enter the US and for you passports to return to your own country. Folks here talk about Free Trade yet your Government signs on to a UN Resolution that prevents me from buying a US made hunting scope without the seller acquiring an "export permit". Hell I can't even ship a Colt back to the factory without first applying for an "Import Permit" from the ATF and Colt in turn would have to apply for an export permit to return the gun to me. Our elected idiots go along with it and you get tied to the same BS as we do. Legally I can't even buy once fired brass from the US without the seller acquiring an export permit from the ATF and gun parts over $100. are subject to the same restrictions. And your congress is worried about US manufacturing jobs? Not in the firearms industry apparently.

As far as the dollar is concerned the CDN buck was at premium to the US dollar for a good part of the 1950's. Would be now if our interest rates were equal to or higher than yours. Bank of Canada can control rates similar to your FED.

Art: Any goods not made in Canada, Mexico or the US are subject to duty. Only goods made in the three countries enter Canada/US duty free under the agreement. I paid 16% duty on a Shooters Coinnection Bag bought from Shooter's Connection in the US. Bag was made in India and not subject to NAFTA.

Take Care

Bob

 

[longeyes]

Sorry we will pass on political union. Friends yes, allies, absolutely but no thanks on the political union. Kind of thought we settled that issue back in 1812.

Yeah, we're in the red.

But one reason we're in the red is we've been providing, largely without charge, an expensive military umbrella to the "free world"--and that inclues our northern neighbor--for the last sixty years. Our reward for that is to be called a bigger threat to world peace than the murderous dictators and barbarians that give humanity a bad name.

A future America may just let the lot of you devolve into serfdom.

 

[robertbank]

"Our reward for that is to be called a bigger threat to world peace than the murderous dictators and barbarians that give humanity a bad name."

Given Iraq never attacked you, that thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed "liberating" Iraq and you expect the famlies of the victims to salute you. Bush's war has cost you billions, not to mention the tragic loss of young very brave men and womens lives: a fact I guess most Americans are finally coming to realize.

If you were out for a reward you sure were doing it for the wrong reasons. I suspect it was for what your elected representatives thought was in the US best interest. At least one hopes that was the reason. To say you are in the red is an understatement in the extreme. The US owes more money than all the rest of the Soverign World debt combined! I often wonder if the average American voter has any concept of the ramifications of that debt is going to have particularily when China owns a good junk of that debt.

As far as the umbrella during the cold war if I recall correctly we had, during this period of time, some input into the umbrella. That and the fact for most of the cold war the CIA over sold the threat to ensure defense spending was maximized. I am hesitant to suggest that is was self serving to provide that umbrella.

"A future America may just let the lot of you devolve into serfdom."

Well given our ingrained insitutions in place now and our history of respecting the rule of law I suspect the future America might be to busy paying off debt to notice who are the serfs and who aren't. I would suggest your comment represents exactly the thought process that has got you in the state you now find yourselves in.

FYI this country reached the point you now find yourself in financially back in the late 80's, less amount but smaller country. The pill is tough to swallow and we will be repaying our debt back over the next 150 years! That assumes the idiots in Ottawa continue to run surpluses. New Zealand hit the wall before us. The cure is less government spending and higher taxes to meet debt payments. Not rocket science and not fun.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Fu-man Shoe]

robertbank speaks some hard truths. Difficult to accept, but there it is.

Ultimately, we here in America will have the pay the piper for all of the
heady good times we have been enjoying (on credit!) these recent years.

Another poster mentioned us possibly living through something like our
ancestors in the 1930's experienced. If so, I hope I can do as well as
they did.

But hey...If nothing else, lean times ahead will be a good opportunity for
Americans to lose weight! Lord knows some of them need it!

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

robertbank hit the nail on the head. But think of it this way, often times you might need the perspective of someone who is from the outside looking in to get a good picture of what is really going on.

As for Iraq, well, he does have a point. A terrorist organization with connections to Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Pakistan launches an attack against us, and we invade a country which had nothing to do with the attack on our soil, and which was fighting the terrorists themselves because that country's leader didn't want them to upset his power. Meanwhile, we buddy up to the governments which have aided and abetted these terrorists. Why aren't we running massive black ops in these countries? Why aren't we putting economic pressure on them?

Oh, well if they are black ops, we wouldn't have heard of them? Granted, but that doesn't explain our presence in Iraq. And, as to economic pressure, our massive national debt and lack of an industrial base makes it pretty much impossible to level economic pressure on anyone.

Oh, and on the debt thing, we probably will go through a Great Depression. But, have faith, we'll either come out of it smelling like a rose, or we'll enter a virtual dark age, but count on #1. 300,000,000 people who are unable to buy Chinese goods aren't something the Chinese want.

 

[Thin Black Line]

I would suggest your comment represents exactly the thought process that has got you in the state you now find yourselves in.

LOL, I would suggest that it was people not even thinking about future
serfdom who spent themselves on borrowed credit right back into it.
We who understand the debt-slave (aka serf) process are very wary of
putting ourselves into it. There are plenty of American consumers (aka
serfs) who live in a house in the suburbs and drive two brand new vehicles
who actually think they own all of it. The bank does. Both adults have
to work to sustain their current standard of living. If either come to a stop,
it can get a lot worse for them. They might even own firearms, but it is
really the State that provides for their general security --and they are more
than happy to pay the money for someone else to provide this protection.
Although we have a monetary system, for all intent and purose it is their labor
on a never-ending treadmill that keeps them where they're at. By definition,
this arrangement is Serfdom.

State control over the tools of force (weapons) and who it decides are
the legitimate enforcers is also a cornerstone of Serfdom. In that case, the
Canadians are not quite as well off as Americans, but they are still far better
off than the Mexicans. Obviously, this has changed over time but the trend
has always been more restrictive in North America as a whole, ie, gun control.
This is what those in the "small arms" control movement call "harmonization"
of restrictions made by neighboring nation-states. This agenda is pushed
just as much by the UN as it is by the OAS. It filters down to nation-states
from there, but really North America is the next block down.

 

[Art Eatman]

Since this has gone wandering off into cars and "other stuff", go on over to APS and continue it there...

Art