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I had something similar happen. I was shooting in a spot popular for that activity on public land. It's a canyon that's shaped like a pit, about 200 yards wide and 100 feet deep. It's an ideal spot because the backstop is more than 270 degrees around and plenty high. Someone or another is shooting there several times a week, and the ground on the bottom is littered with cases. When it rains, so many bullets wash out of there you can scoop them up by the handful. There's some short trees in the canyon, maybe 10' or 15' tall but mostly short bushes or bare ground. I was shooting some paper targets one day and a dude with his dog came down into the canyon. I didn't see them right away because the trees were obscuring my view of the approach. The dog, which was harder to see, came closer to my impact area than was safe. It wasn't hit, but it took me too long to see it and stop shooting.

It disturbed me that the man would come down into that little bowl when he must have known someone was shooting down there. A .357 can be heard. I walk my dog in the same area, but I know better than to even be on the ridgeline when someone is shooting down there. This idiot came right down into the bowl. Nevertheless, he has as much right to walk through there as I have to shoot there, and if he so chooses, I am not absolved of any responsibility.

For me, the take-away was that I needed to be more aware of my impact area for every shot. We know the rule, "be sure of your target and what is behind it." But let's say you set up a target and there's a bush behind it. You check to make sure the backdrop behind the bush is clear before you start shooting. You might not think anyone is stupid enough to move into your impact area behind that bush, but you'd be wrong. I really need to have a full view of the impact area and all the approaches to it for every shot I take. It can help to have more people looking out, but I most often shoot alone. I can't afford to get too focused on what I'm doing and lose sight and awareness of my surroundings.

I was very disturbed by that event, and I can only imagine stillquietvoice was even more disturbed by the arrogant, impudent behavior of the man he described. I too decided to find another place to shoot. Fortunately they are very abundant and varied around here. Lately I've been shooting in a wide open space where I can see the approach in all directions for over a mile. There's still a slope to shoot into for a backstop.
 
I have family not to far away that have land to shoot on. I took him there the last time we went out. Most of them are shooters and hunters but I didn't want to intrude on them and since my grandson was inquiring about hunting state lands seemed a better option to also show habitats tracks and other skills needed to be a successful hunter.
There are several private ranges near by one has a 300 yard range. I just haven't gotten the membership application out in the mail yet with the holidays and all but will after the new year. Hopefully it willreduce the likelihood of stupid reoccurring.
 
I think it is crazy to shoot on public land. I know it happens in a lot of places, but I would never do it. I'm amazed there aren't many more stories like this and worse.
 
20yrs ago, we had a deputy sheriff do that to us, in the opposite direction. He came from where our targets were, luckily when we had stopped shooting for a few minutes.
 
In many western states, most land is publicly owned. In Utah, 66% of the land is owned by government entities. Its pretty easy to find lonely places with good backstops where its safe to shoot.

Public land in the east can get overrun...not so much out here.
 
The scary thing is that they drive and vote! This is the main reason that I don't shoot on public ranges or hunt on public ground. Sad!
 
47.4% of NM is public land. As NM is the fifth largest state that's a lot of dirt to wander around on. I know of many places in my part of the state where it's safe to shoot on public land. One of the reason I enjoy living here is the millions of acres of land to prowl around on. Of course I realize that everyone else is free to use it and if put in the situation the OP was I would do what he did. However, in my part of the state the chances of that happening is pretty slim. Lots of land and not that many people makes it nice.
 
I would love to have access to BLM land in Arizona and New Mexico. Don't get me wrong, I have great access here in Kansas. But, the southwest has amazing places to shoot and tons of it. When I vacation in Arizona I always take firearms. When I first visited there, I went into a local gun shop for some ammo and window shopping. I asked the clerk if he had any recommendations about places to shoot. He looked at me like I was really dense and said, "Oh we just go outside of town and shoot about anywhere we want." Also asked the same question in a state park. They have many designated shooting areas and the helpful ranger gave me directions and a map. Asked him if there were any other special rules or considerations I need to be aware of. "just be careful", he said. What a cool attitude!
 
I have friends about an hour and a half north of me with access to three large cornfields. Shot 550 yds but can't do that much especially during the growing season. It is also a ling drive for a youngster.
It would have seriously diminished the trigger time as well.

It would be really nice to have that much blm land to shoot on I hope you cherish that. Not like that here in new California, while there is state land open it is mostly heavily wooded.
 
Stupid, or intentionally disruptive? My guess is some anti sentiment mixed in.

Edit: Looks like wahsben and I were thinking along the same lines.

People like this like to force their views and positions upon us, but if you ever did the same thing to
him, he would go bananas. Good on you, for turning it into a teaching moment.
 
Public land is good for shooting. While private property might be more appealing for some reasons, let's not abandon public land by limiting support to shooting on private land or by dismissing the value of public land for shooting use. Besides, trespass on private land isn't justification for the use of deadly force. The stupid person could have just as easily walked onto your range on private land and the only difference is the land owner could request law enforcement to cite them for trespass. They probably wouldn't even cite them if the person was willing to leave. There's no change to the consequence to someone who shoots them.
 
I hear this complaint often, that some one ‘ruins’ our shooting on public land that we own,,?/

Do what I did...Save the money you spend on toys, snow mobiles, water skis,,, big diesel trucks,,,,,fancy cars, big screen tv’s, bowl parties...what ever it is you spend extra money on.....save it, and save it until you can buy your own private land,,,,then no problem.!!
 
I hear this complaint often, that some one ‘ruins’ our shooting on public land that we own,,?/

Do what I did...Save the money you spend on toys, snow mobiles, water skis,,, big diesel trucks,,,,,fancy cars, big screen tv’s, bowl parties...what ever it is you spend extra money on.....save it, and save it until you can buy your own private land,,,,then no problem.!!

Good idea. The government is so broke that unless area holds valuable mineral or energy deposits in the future most of it will be in private hands anyway.
 
Aggressive Stupidity: Call it what it is. We are being threatened at out range by encroachment of high end housing. The club was out in the boondocks and is threatened by urban sprawl now. Individual members have to be mindful of increased risk. Even members can be a menace. It's not unknown for these citizens to "go bad" when confronted about rules violations. You gotta own some of these citizens can catch an attitude fast when handling firearms. Aggressive Stupidity on steroids. Poster Children for Gun Control.
 
Aggressive Stupidity: Call it what it is. We are being threatened at out range by encroachment of high end housing. The club was out in the boondocks and is threatened by urban sprawl now. Individual members have to be mindful of increased risk. Even members can be a menace. It's not unknown for these citizens to "go bad" when confronted about rules violations. You gotta own some of these citizens can catch an attitude fast when handling firearms. Aggressive Stupidity on steroids. Poster Children for Gun Control.

Are these homes in your direct line of fire it seems to me that your dance being there first would give precedent to make the new community build an earth wall barrier to protect new citizens. Also give legal grounds for removal of trespassers.
 
I suspect the guys point wanted to prove that he has as much right to walk across that particular piece public land as you had to shoot there.
He proved his point at the cost of his safety, a stupid act on his part. You did the only logical and common sense thing to do, to pack up and went elsewhere. You avoided a potential conflict , Taught you grandson a valuable lesson which he will always remember. A lesson he can pass on to other. I would have checked around to see if someone was recording this.
 
Are these homes in your direct line of fire

No there are no houses in the direct line of fire. The range was thoughtfully laid out many years ago. There is a hill that is a backstop for the ranges.
The story goes that the houses were built within 150 ft. of our property line. The realtors would only show the property in the evening or odd times where there was little or no shooting. Ranges in this state are Grandfathered in to avoid most deprivations by urban sprawl. The club board of directors is given to maintaining safety to assure continued club prosperity. When taken to court the angry home owners get the message. You knew it was a rifle range when you bought your house. Safety is a major concerned and rules are rigorously enforced. Firearms ownership is a serious responsibility. We did lose a range at another location when a citizen did build a house in the line of fire. You learn PDQ to get club ownership of your range property with safe backstop.
 
Kudos to you for "passing it on" to your grandson in a safe and responsible manner. Was it a established range you were shooting at with a established backstop or just a convenient spot off the road? Was it on or close to any established trails? Problem with so much public land anymore is anything close to the road or parking areas are now overrun with folks other than hunters/shooters recreating. This is especially true in small areas and areas where there are some form of established and groomed hiking trails. There are several small areas of public lands around me with established trails, that make shooting at anytime other than the well known 9 day gun deer season a risk. Just too many hikers and fat tire/off road bikers that use it daily. Weekends are a real bust, especially on those nice days. So the old, just taking a stool and a cardboard box for a target to go out shooting on them, is a thing of the past. Matter of fact, most target shooting around here is restricted to established shooting ranges on public lands for this specific reason. Googling "Target shooting on state land in New York State" gave me mixed results as to whether or not it is legal to target shoot on state lands there outside of designated target ranges. Sounds like it's a parcel by parcel deal. Most of what I saw said things such as Something that is taking many of us old timers some getting used to, especially those of us that were brought up on the old, stool and cardboard box thing, with our dads/grandpas. Your grandson hopefully learned from this experience...... things such as never assuming it's safe to shoot just anywhere and that the shooter is always responsible to always know what's behind and beyond their target. Was the guy stupid and irresponsible? Maybe. Kudos for not lowering yourself to his level.
 
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