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ok i love glocks in fact my favorite autoloader
but this guy shooting a glock in a trash can is so over played
is the glock the only autoloader that will accomplish this feat?

if so ill need some glockster to go out scuba style and bag a shark (preferably great white) please use the glock 20 for this fishing excursion
thanks in advance
 
I dont know if others would work underwater but it is pretty cool that the glocks do.

Also, are you aware of the damage you can do to yourself by firing a gun underwater. Shock waves and whatnot...
 
That is very true and I didn't think of that.
I live in South Dakota so I dont worry about sharks or large water predators.
 
I think said shockwaves would be less damaging than Mr Jaws.

Just like in air, under the water it is the soundwave, not the shockwave, that is the main source of possible hearing damage. Especially since the soundwave from a pistol being shot underwater would carry farther before dissipating, than it would in air. Underwater the shockwave (created by the accelerating bullet and supersonic propellant gasses exiting the barrel) would dissipate almost immediately.
 
Sonic

I have actually found that weapons fired underwater are more muffled than in air (I dunno why....).

I have used a bang stick on many occasions....and the noise is considerably less than a firearm of the same caliber in air. Maybe this is due to the "barrel" of the bang stick being in contact with the target at the time of firing. I would have thought just the opposite, that it would be louder underwater, but time and time again this has proved not to be the case. I was very surprised the first time I used it.

If I am so motivated some time I will take my USP45 into the water. I am sure it will work just fine as well........for those that are interested, there are some UW shooting videos on UTube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvJX1vfQUkc&feature=related
 
*SIGH* I have to tell you guys I am kinda disappointed.

Haven't any of you ever been UNDER water before??? Have you tried talking to your buddy right next to you and couldn't hear a :cuss: thing??? or better yet couldn't hear the people that were outside the water???

Water is more solid than air though air, being a gas, for some odd reason is sometimes also considered a fluid state. Don't ask me talk to my science teach from high school he said it. *SIGH*

Regard less... it's simple why the sound of a bang or anything is dulled out under water as apposed to above water.

When above water sound bounces off the water surface which amplifies it so it travels farther distances. Think of it this way...

You and a buddy are 50yards away from each other on a lake in you boats, his cell phone goes off, playing one of those default ring tones, and you hear it clear as day. WHY???? ANSWER: think of the lake as one big speaker... the sound hits the water and micro vibrates it's surface transfering the sound thusly outward.

under water not so much. Think of the water as a pillow... What happens when some one smothers someone else with a pillow??? duh the sound is extremely dulled, same situation under water without all the violence of couse, unless above mentioned jaws takes a bite outta you.

Now same thing would go for sound waves/ shock waves. you are less likely to be effected by either/or while under water as apposed to on land for the same :cuss: reasons and examples.

I hope that this explains a few things to you guys.

BTW I am not mad at all or trying to talk down to anyone here, just pointing out some facts to help people understand.

I am glad to be of some help and see you guys next time.

Sincerely and respectfully,

USMCDK
 
I'm sorry, but you're COMPLETELY wrong. Sound travels much better underwater since molecules are much closer together, making it travel faster (about 4 times faster in water) and farther. The reason why you can't hear things very well underwater is because our ears are not designed to work underwater, same way our eyes are not designed to see underwater, and similary, our vocal cords are NOT designed to produce sound underwater either. Some animals that have hearing/sound-wave producing organs that are meant to be used underwater communicate quite effectively underwater, and some whale-produced sound waves are known to travel as far as 2000 miles.

The reason why you can't hear abovewater sound when you are underwater is because sound wave does not penetrate water well, and vice-versa since densities are so different between those two media.

Similarly, shock waves are transmitted much more efficiently underwater. Example of such would be a Tsunami that could transmit a very powerful force across thousands of miles, such as 1964 Alaskan Tsunami that damaged Pacific Coast as well as sending a 12 foot-wave to Hawaii and more recently a 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami that I probably don't need to elaborate on.

Having said that, I don't think that you would feel a significant shock wave from a fired pistol since the displaced water movement is not significant and there is not much of an expanding mass either....same way you don't feel much of a "shockwave" above water from a pistol.

Please don't be disappointed with us...some of us know our physics.
 
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bw.....,.
I too have experienced a muffled report from a firearm underwater.
No I'm not a HighSpeedLowDrag type, more of an early Mythbusters.
Under carefully regulated conditions, I've even fired two fullotta 9mm smg's, with tracer ammo underwater. The full size UZI was good for maybe 5rds if the ejection port was oriented down. The M10/9mm was mostly 2 or 3rds. Failure to eject with both.
Glocks in 9mm do well if equipped with the maritime firing pin cup.
1911's in 45acp are 'iffy'. Ejection port orientation once again being significant.
No significant signs of excessive pressure were noted upon examination of spent brass.
DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS!
 
THe last time this subject came up, the general consensus was that you really don't need an underwater pistol unless you're Spec Ops, and they have access to the real deal that works.

Bullets just don't go far enough through water to be effective. So the guy fired 30 rounds though a modified (as in not stock) Glock, in a barrel of water, likely against his local firearms laws (notice how close those other houses are). Then he says "Lets see an M&P do that." Big whoop. Maybe my M&P can't do it, maybe it can. I've never tried, and I don't see any reason I would end up having to find out.
 
im not curious at all about my weapons being fired from underwater as i am 99.99% sure that it will never come into play for me where i have to defend myself against an assailant while snorkeling. have you ever been in a pool when someones wristwatch beeps? you can hear that thing clear across the other side. i dont want to see what a .45ACP will do in the same conditions. or risk the bullet busting apart right out of the barrel and shredding my extremeties. plus i think my housing complex will call the cops on me for gunslinging in the community pool. the district judge will be laughing his ass off when he locks me up for negligence and takes the rest of my guns away
 
Not sure about shockwave, however, the OP claimed a model 20. Would not the high pressures of 10mm make the gun explode? (not to mention with 10mm making all techtonic plate movements in a 1000mi radius increase, causing massive planet rearrangement :D).
 
I'm sorry, but you're COMPLETELY wrong. Sound travels much better underwater since molecules are much closer together, making it travel faster (about 4 times faster in water) and farther. The reason why you can't hear things very well underwater is because our ears are not designed to work underwater, same way our eyes are not designed to see underwater, and similary, our vocal cords are NOT designed to produce sound underwater either. Some animals that have hearing/sound-wave producing organs that are meant to be used underwater communicate quite effectively underwater, and some whale-produced sound waves are known to travel as far as 2000 miles.

The only thing you forgot is that sound travels so fast underwater that you can't get a reliable sense of direction from it. That's why you learn never to surface if you hear a boat motor while you are diving: you have no idea where the boat is, or what direction it is traveling in.

Remember, water is 1200 times more dense than air. That is also why water below 75 degrees causes hypothermia if you aren't careful: it is more dense and pulls the heat away from your body faster.

The reason why you can't hear abovewater sound when you are underwater is because sound wave does not penetrate water well, and vice-versa since densities are so different between those two media.

Precisely. That's also the reason sounds carries so well above water, it bounces off rather than being absorbed like it would be on land.

Similarly, shock waves are transmitted much more efficiently underwater. Example of such would be a Tsunami that could transmit a very powerful force across thousands of miles, such as 1964 Alaskan Tsunami that damaged Pacific Coast as well as sending a 12 foot-wave to Hawaii and more recently a 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami that I probably don't need to elaborate on.

Absolutely, that's why depth charges were so effective against submarines in the second world war. The explosion didn't have to be dead on because the water would transfer the shock wave so effectively.

Having said that, I don't think that you would feel a significant shock wave from a fired pistol since the displaced water movement is not significant and there is not much of an expanding mass either....same way you don't feel much of a "shockwave" above water from a pistol.

Pistols don't make a whole lot of actual shock wave underwater. Remember, smokeless powder burns, it doesn't explode. You would feel more, though an explosion this small would still be negligible, if you could fire off an equal amount of black powder, which is a class A explosive:eek:f course you would have a heck of a time keeping your powder dry.:D

Please don't be disappointed with us...some of us know our physics.

I'm never disappointed with people who understand basic physics.

Back to the question of whether or not all pistols would work under water, or just the GLOCK?

All smokeless powder pistols would work, at least for a time. The problem isn't the immediate effect of the water; that is pretty negligible. The problem occurs with repeated exposure, especially in salt water. Eventually, without a great deal of care, corrosion would take hold and the pistol would become useless. That is why the SEALS use the GLOCKs: they tend to be exposed to salt water more than most other soldiers, and GLOCKs are not subject to as much problems with corrosion. Before the polymers the SEALs used steel like everybody else.

PS Because of the density of the water accuracy over more than very short distances would make firearms ineffective. That's why they invented bang sticks spear guns. Oddly enough, when shooting from above the surface at a target underwater, subsonic muzzle loaders were more effective than modern high powered firearms that shot supersonic rounds in the tests I have witnessed. The muzzle loaders actually penetrated several feet and hit the target while the supersonic rounds nearly disintegrated and did little or no damage.
 
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The sound or shock wave from a gun firing is caused by the rapidly released super-heated gas coming out of the muzzle.

It seems to me that cold water would work just like a suppressor.
By cooling the gas cloud, and thus reducing the volume considerably.

Less gas volume = Less noise.

rcmodel
 
Sato Ord, I'm not sure why you want to re-iterate/confirm what I said, I know what I said is right, don't need anyone's confirmation. If you want to make a point, make your own post instead of quoting my entire post please.

BTW, I didn't forget the fact that sense of direction is lost underwater, there was no need to mention that fact because that was irrelevant to making my point.

My post was just a rebuttal for the previous comment, not intended to teach physics. As for whether a pistol is "effective" underwater?? Probably not, unless you have your pistol against someone's head perhaps. I would take a spear instead for my underwater firefight. ;)

Would it fire? Sure it would if powder/primer are working fine, but that's probably not limited to Glocks, of course. I wouldn't want to try it myself however.....
 
sound travels way better in water as a kid in a ymca pool from corner to corner you could distinctly here the beep of a timex ironman watch (not very loud) this was a distance of 300-400 feet
 
I'm sorry, but you're COMPLETELY wrong. Sound travels much better underwater since molecules are much closer together, making it travel faster (about 4 times faster in water) and farther. The reason why you can't hear things very well underwater is because our ears are not designed to work underwater, same way our eyes are not designed to see underwater, and similary, our vocal cords are NOT designed to produce sound underwater either.
Exactly.
Water is a much more conductive medium for sound than air is. Our ears just aren't geared towards perceiving sound underwater. Sea mammals have no problem. Whales, etc., can communicate over miles, like lvcat said.

The reason why you can't hear abovewater sound when you are underwater is because sound wave does not penetrate water well, and vice-versa since densities are so different between those two media.
Yep.
Have you ever wondered why technicians always smear "goop" on folks when doing an ultrasound? It's to get rid of any air gaps that might be between the transmitter and the patient. The goop is engineered to have a certain R-value; it helps provide a medium that is similar to the transmittance of patients' skin when it comes to sound waves. Even then there is some amount of attenuation. Every time a wave hits a medium of differing density it is reflected back, at least in part. That's how ultra sound produces "images". Organs have differing densities, so every time a wave front hits a different organ, some gets reflected back and analyzed by a computer. The depth is calculated based on the time it takes for the echoes to return to the transmitter/receiver.

Same principle applies when someone shouts above water, and your head is under. You can't hear crap, because most of the sound has been reflected right off the surface due to the difference in density of the air and the water. Sorry to give such a long, drawn out example, but I think it fits well.

Jason
 
Sound does travel very, very well underwater. They sell tank knockers(plastic ball on a bungee cord) for scuba divers that you can hear from pretty far away under water.

When I was SCUBA diving in florida they would rev the boat engines twice to get us to surface and return to the boat. At one point 70 feet down my partner and I heard the boat rev it's engines twice and we came up and the boat was pretty damn far away. I was quite surprised, the boat continued to rev its engines in the two burst pattern for a while and we could not hear it above the water at that distance but we noticed that if we submerged ourselves we could hear it again.
 
what about in space? will a glock fire in space? i think this is the silliest topic i have ever took part in. tomorrow morning when i am enjoying my hearty breakfast before work i will submerge a gun into my bowl of quaker oats and pull the trigger. range report soon!!!
 
well pgeleven, that's an interesting question...

I believe that it "probably" does, but some chemical reaction needs oxygen, and thus some rockets will carry liquid oxygen to combust their fuel, but primer and gun poweder....hmm.....because it ignites underwater (although there is oxygen, but as a water molecule, probably not as much as 02 as in air), I'm thinking that it will, and you will have some serious recoil that might fly you backwards.....I'd like an astronaut to try this in outer space....hmm.....perhaps it needs some oxygen and it may not....somoene who knows this chime in, because I honestly am not sure about this one. I'm thinking that gunpowder is much like space shuttle's solid fuel boosters that burns without supplemental O2, so I'm leaning towards yes, it will work.
 
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