danez71
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Imo, that extent isn't about this thread.
ETA: If his behavior divided us (to an extent I agree) was your post meant to bring us back together?
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VA Dems Drop AR-15 Confiscation After 1000s of NRA Members Show
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Imo, that extent isn't about this thread.
ETA: If his behavior divided us (to an extent I agree) was your post meant to bring us back together?
AlexanderA
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Some of those 9 senators are the very people we're going to need if the AWB is to be stopped. The inner workings of these committees are complex, and it might take professional lobbyists to keep track of the players. Therefore I would not dismiss the NRA-ILA just yet.
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Burnin' down the house!
WestTexShooter
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Puhleeze folks.
Crooked pols always do this. They knew they could never confiscate ARs. They trolled that out there to change focus from what they really want.
Look behind the curtain - after sticking the bayonet through it to start with.
Overcompensate them first.
Crooked pols always do this. They knew they could never confiscate ARs. They trolled that out there to change focus from what they really want.
Look behind the curtain - after sticking the bayonet through it to start with.
Overcompensate them first.
LiveLife
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But in the process of "over selling" they managed to piss off the entire collective of gun owners across the state and the nation.
VA 2020, history in the making.
I hope to one day tell my grandchildren that in 2020, righteous gun owners rose up once again and stood up to the tyranny of those who wanted to impose their will on others with the support of the Supreme Court so the grandchildren could also enjoy the freedom of keeping and bearing arms for generations to come.
VA 2020, history in the making.
I hope to one day tell my grandchildren that in 2020, righteous gun owners rose up once again and stood up to the tyranny of those who wanted to impose their will on others with the support of the Supreme Court so the grandchildren could also enjoy the freedom of keeping and bearing arms for generations to come.
BSA1
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It is all too typical to blame someone else for our failures.
The current situation in Virginia is not the NRA’s fault. It is a huge failure on the part of gun owners to support pro-gun candidates by not getting out to vote. Now with the clear and present danger of restrictive gun laws being passed in Virginia WLP and the NRA are still being blamed for what gun owners in Virginia have failed to do for many years.
While members on THR continue to cheer the demise of the NRA even as the events in Virginia unfolds. The simple and harsh truth is gun owners in Virginia have got the Government they deserve when they stayed home on Election Day.
“Like” X’s 100. People wonder how these liberals get all these bills passed. But it’s those liberals out there marching and protesting while the gun community quietly sits at home applying another coat of Ballistol or CLP to protect their guns. And Virginians have now seen where that has gotten them. And hopefully the rest of the country has also.
LiveLife
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Situation in VA is a "call to action" for gun owners across the nation.
you're right. it's not the NRA's fault.
we're not blaming WLP and the NRA for Democrats getting elected. and we are not cheering the demise of the NRA.
What we are saying specifically is that
-the NRA initial non-response ("send more money!") was embarrassing and ineffective
-because of WLP personal behavior, he is no longer an effective spokesman for 2A cause
-because of WLP personal behavior, the NRA name has been tarnished, to the extend their involvement may cause more harm than good
-they should have worked with the VCDL, lending expertise and experience and money
-instead they chose to split resources by organizing a separate event, effectively dividing us, demonstrating where their priorities lie
-the NRA needs new leadership before it's demise becomes permanent
just read their webpage. nothing on nra.org about VA. and the NRA-ILA page has an article saying first weeks of January are critical! but only talks about what they did on the 13th, not about what we're doing on the 20th. that's in the past. how critical was it? what effect did they have? happy to be educated if i've missed something, but no effect at all as far as i can tell.
but VCDL is about to show the world what average Joes can do with a shoe string budget. if they're successful (and northam building fences surrounding the capital yesterday seems to indicate they're already having an effect), it should force the NRA to realize they either get off their butts or fade to irrelevance
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In regards to the NRA and what is happening in VA, are they asleep or something? Hibernating? Many of these bills directly assault the NRA HQ in Fairfax. The NRA should have been cranking out opposition to all these bills when they were just pre filed crap last fall. But...nothing. I didn't see what was happening in VA until the past couple of months and NRA has been meep about their opposition until very recently. Scrolling through the ILA feed on Facebook, they didn't start posting opposition to VA and Northam's bills until December.
That is why all the folderol during the summer and fall over the NRA, its ad agency, and the failed removal of its executive director was so damaging. They have an interim ILA (their lobbyist and political guy) when Chris Cox (long time ILA head) was forced out by Exec. Director for Life (apparently) LaPierre. Internal politics and apparent corruption weakened the NRA at the worst possible time (just check up on the THR threads at the time.)
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Elkins45
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I don’t think anyone is cheering the demise of the NRA, or at least not very many. “Lamenting the sorry state the NRA has let itself fall into” seems more accurate to me.
BSA1
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I respect your right, the rights of the other moderators and the owners of THR to not like and not support the NRA.
As for the VCDL protest on January 20th I hope to see a large turnout but if I was the Governor I would be saying so what. Passions by a minority are running high at the moment. But how long can the minority keep protesting? Where will these folks be on February 20th, March 20th, April 20th and the 20th of each month.
In 2013 gun owners in Colorado were able to recall two Senators and they were replaced by two Republicans. Yet the following year the two Republicans were defeated by their Democratic challengers. All of that effort resulted in none of the gun laws being repealed. The Democrats see gun control as a long well funded continuous battle. Gun owners, well they are too busy fighting among themselves to effectively stop them.
It all comes down to money and publicity. Because politicians depend on it and when they or their supporters have it they can promise to fix things, and in doing so consolidate their power and influence. We would like to think that we can vote the rascals out of office, but they got there by convincing voters that they had the answers and would put a chicken in every pot and an F-150 in every garage. Once in power, they can always blame other factors for their failures, and right now gun owners are one of the favorite whipping boys.
Let's do what we can, but understand that we will never have the whole story. To blame others is to use the same tactics as the officials.
Let's do what we can, but understand that we will never have the whole story. To blame others is to use the same tactics as the officials.
Good Ol' Boy
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Your logic is flawed and ignores the facts.
Sure, more red folks could've voted, but so could've more blue folks.
Most folks dont even realize that many of the key seats that were gained last November ran UNOPPOSED. There were no Republicans to vote for in those districts.
The Republican party in VA is all but dead. With all the hub bub about the 20th I wonder, how many red folks are going to be out there getting all these non voting 2A folks registered?
Combine that with mass out of state money influencing the blue vote and THATS why we're where we are.
AlexanderA
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In regard to the heading of this thread, a state cannot do "confiscation" because there is always the possibility of owners taking their guns out of state. Therefore a 5th Amendment "takings" issue cannot arise at the state level.
Tommygunn
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Would that necessarily prevent a state from trying? In my 64 years I've seen politicians do many stupid things .....
That seems wildly inaccurate
Speedo66
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Hopefully the hate groups, open rifle carriers, and the violent will stay away. There is nothing they can do to affect the vote in a positive manner.
BSA1
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Actually I think we are in agreement.
As you correctly point out the lack of Republican candidates did not happen overnight. People who support gun rights stayed home over the years when it came time to vote. The Democrats shrewdly avoided stirring Conservatives up while they amassed political power.
Suppose 2,000 gun owners show up and protest at the Capital on Monday. What is to keep 4,000 people that support gun control from having a country protest at the Capital? With Bloomberg’s money they can easily afford to bus in protestors from other States. And most importantly it will not be a bunch of angry white guys protesting. There will be a lot of women and Moms getting the media’s attention.
The deck is heavily stacked against gun owners and it will be a harsh lesson for other States.
kmw1954
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So tell me please who's fault is it when there is not a Pro Gun candidate running? Now what to do????? I see too many local and state elections were there are candidates running unopposed so all the need do is show up on election day and vote for themselves and they Won!!! Now when I see an unopposed seat on a ballot I write my own name in.
2016 AOC won her seat with less than a 45% turnout. Yes less than half the eligible voters actually voted. How's that for a Mandate????
Here in Wisconsin we have two Representatives that are not returning. Rep's Sean Duffy and Jim Sensenbrenner, both republicans and as of yet I have heard no word as to who is going to run.
AlexanderA
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A state can confiscate real estate (because it cannot be moved), but it can't confiscate personal property. The U.S. constitution guarantees the free movement of goods and people between states. If a state tried to confiscate personal property, there would be nothing to prevent the property from being removed to another state.
BSA1
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They seize personal property all of the time in drug cases. In fact this is so common that even The Supreme Court has recently commented on it.
AlexanderA
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Sure, but that's not the kind of "confiscation" we're talking about. We're talking about the seizing of guns that were previously legal and are being made illegal. In a scenario like that, there is time for the owners to remove them from the state. The point being that this is not a constitutional "taking" issue.
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This is a big piece of the problem. The Virginia Republican Party has some serious internal problems, mostly because the old, established members don't want to re-orient the party to fit the times (exactly like the "never Trump"ers have been doing). The Republicans have several young, aggressive would-be candidates in the Trump mold to choose from, but they won't support them. Instead, they prefer to re-cycle 3 or 4 old-style nitwits who have held offices before, but have nothing original to offer.
The party needs a large dose of a political laxative.
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