vagrant living on/around property...

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kir_kenix

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i recently moved (actually 3 days ago) about 20 miles north to a country home ouside of columbus, nebraska. my new wife and i moved in w/ her parents, as i will be deploying soon and she will need the support of her family to help her through the times. anyway, we live pretty much out in the middle of nowhere, even though we are just a few miles from town. there are about 5 houses w/in about a mile and a half of eachother and we live on a pretty sizeable cattle yard/feed lot.
first day out here while i was moving in i was warned by the family to lock my car doors and watch my dog because there is a man living down by the river. i was shocked to hear that, because i would never allow something like that to happen. her parents are really nice, non confrentational people and i guess this has been going on for a while. they told me that they had confronted him twice and asked him to leave (actually offered him money/ride/food). this had no affect to they called the sherifs department, who made one trip out (you have to walk about 1/2 a mile down to the river and the guy was long gone by then) and dont really seem to give a damn about some homeless guy living on the property.
he has been seen 3 or 4 times digging through the dumsters on the property, but not confronted again. i got sight of him today (thru a 20x spotting scope) and hes a pretty scurvy fellow. i told my wife i was going down to the river and to watch me thru the scope and call the police if i was attacked or whatnot and i walked down there. i was armed and walked down (getting very muddy as it rained a bit today).
i said hello and he just pretty much walked away. i didnt want to get super close or chase him down or anything but all i got out of him was a "go the %$&% away!" at about sundown i observed him return to his folding chair and backpack he has set-up down there.
so what should i do? we cant just have some guy living 1/2 a mile from the house, and the sherif department apparently doesnt want to put forth the effort to "evict" him. he's probably not dangerous, but my wifes family is very naive...they dont even lock their doors, thinking that the 6 or so dogs and working farm hands are plenty of security.
what is the legal rights of this guy? the land on the other side of the river belongs (i believe) to platte county, and he is just about on the property cut-off to someone elses land. i think tomorrow before work i am going to go in and talk to the police department, but what other options do i have? is their some government agency i can call? nobody is really ever here alone, but i still dont like the idea of some guy living on the platte river and digging thru my garbage. anyway, any suggestions would be much appreciated.
 
If the owner of the property says your not wanted then you are trespassing, typical state laws will vary but the premise stays the same.

IN GA as well as TN you cannot arrest for trespass unless they either damage property, threaten to do damage then take a substantial step towards carrying out those threats, or they are instructed to leave by LE or by the property owner in the presence of LE or an unrelated witness to the events who is willing to testify in court to said warning and then this person either refuses to leave or returns.

Then an arrest can be made.
 
shoot Lighting...just tip a few Lonestars back while you follow him around until dark. Then break out the Barret .50 and send him to play with the goats.

Shoot lightning? Why would anyone want to... :scrutiny: Ah, I see now. With all that wind and rain, plus the speed and short duration of lightning, it's a test. Yes, the test that only the true master of the gun can pass.

:neener:

I wonder what the bullets would look like after that. :evil:

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I assume the vagrant is residing on your in-laws' land? If not, you're probably out of luck. Otherwise, check your state laws regarding trespassing. You could also encourage him to move elsewhere by alternate (non-forceful) means. As Jacka L Ope mentioned, target shooting on rural private property is likely legal and might make the intruder uncomfortable. Loud music at night might help too. You get the idea.

Or you could take the civilized approach, and politely ask him to move on while open carrying.
 
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Claymores. Oops sorry, wrong thread. Mods please delete. ;)

Seriously, sorry about this situation. I think you need to start making his life more uncomfortable. His attitude toward you doesn't seem encouraging. There are ways to deter non-human critters... hmm... this is a tough one. :confused: :confused:
 
I agree with Sven.

Well when he leaves for the dumpster in town or whatever take his stuff and throw it away. If he is living next to the river (I am imagining him right on the bank) just throw his crap in the river. Any clothes and stuff will hopefully float downstream.

I would suggest letting some ants take nest under his bed. You know those biting kind? Like fireants.

When he is trying to sleep start your chainsaw from a few feet away. This would work great especially at night. Nothing like waking up to someone with a chainsaw.

Allow the guys in your military unit to come down and shoot with you. Just put the berm somewhere in his direction.

That is really shady that the police wont do anything about this. Find the address of the police chief and tell this guy that the police chief would love to have him live in the backyard.;)

I would call and complain. Make it an everyday thing. Also try contacting the State Police.
 
Lethal violence is not suitable for this situation, nor is the appearance of your willingness to use lethal force. Only if he attempts violence do you respond with force in any way.

You have already contacted the sherrif. That is a good step one. The easy next step is contacting your local health and human services people. The final step is actually evicting the guy, convincing him to leave etc.

If he has a campsite, remove anything useful that he leaves behind. If it does not bother you to do it, render the area that he has set up unuseable. Move your bonepit ( Dead animal pit) to his camping area, no one likes the smell of decaying animals in their campsite.

Pay out the a bit of overtime to your farmhands, have them stage a late night raid to remove his equipment, food, etc. Make life hectic enough for the guy that he chooses easier pastures. Have them able to defend themselves in case he has an issue with it.

He has already been informed to leave. Any property that he has on your land can be considered trash.

My next door neighbor was a man like this, my dad put him up on our place after he got kicked off of another persons property. Decent enough fellow, he was dying of cancer, had a social security check coming in to buy food with. All he wanted was a quiet place to finish the time he had.
 
Is he making your life difficult or are you just being a paranoid?

Like Brerrabbit said, he may be just wanting a quiet place to be alone and let his clock expire.

You don't provide enough information for anyone to conclude he's a threat or even a nuisance. It simply sounds like you are being paranoid.

If it bugs you that much, go talk to him. This interaction will tell you more than anything watching him through a 20x scope will. What are you afraid of, he's just a man. Grab a couple beers and go say hi man, he might be a potential ranch hand that could provide benefit for both of you. Labor for you, and maybe a bootstraps pull up for him to get back into productive society and turn a new leaf.

Being from Oregon, I see hippies do this type of stuff a lot.
 
I honestly am SHOCKED at the responses that suggest letting the guy be and even going to have a beer with the guy!


Check liability laws in your state. You may see how exposed you are. Many states allow for someone to sue if they are injured on your property. Yes, that actually DOES include your undeveloped, wooded land. I've spoken regarding this very thing to our lawyers. Because of the laws in our state, we now have to carry a multi-million dollar umbrella insurance policy to protect us from this type of thing. This is one of many reasons for tort reform.

Some states, such a Lousiana, have recently passed legislation protecting property owners from liability if the person is trespassing on property. Many states have not.

Sure, I want to go out and have a beer with the person that is exposing me to liability that could ruin my family. Ask how fast a pro-bono lawyer looking to get 60% of a verdict would be contacting this man.

Even beyond that, I just wrote a check for my property taxes for over $4,000 this year. For that kind of money, I should expect that when I go ANYWHERE on my land, I am alone. If your LEO, isn't taking care of this, I'd be in his boss' office TODAY. That tax money you pay goes to thier salary. I'm sure that if you withheld your taxes, it wouldn't be long before the state was seizing your property.

Look, I can understand that the guy may be hard on luck at the time. But there are PLENTY of places he can go for help-- I know. I see the government assistence given out to the parents of my wife's students.


Consider this as well. If the guy is hard on his luck, and has already demonstrated not respecting private property, how long will it be before he takes other things for his use?


John
 
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Open a private day/night "shooting range" on your property (Taking care, of course, not to hit said "vagrant")

....And bring friends, especial those the with REALLY loud guns....

But, I'd keep after the LEOs, until I got results. He MAY not be dangerous, however, he could be mentally ill/unstable and therefore unpredictable. You might even be doing him a favor, if the cops grab him up, as they might get him into a treatment facility, if he is mentally ill.
 
Call the cops.

If nothing happens, call the chief.

If nothing happens, call the paper.


I would add to those to call the county commission and the county attny. If none of those work then it's one of the "plan B" listed is post above.
 
the land on the other side of the river belongs (i believe) to platte county, and he is just about on the property cut-off to someone elses land.

Is he actually on your land ?
 
Assuming the person in question is actually on your property I would do whatever is necessary to render the spot unpleasant for "camping".

I would also dispose of any "trash" left behind whenever the person leaves.

Be prepared for some sort of retaliation on the part of the person in question and be ready to document (video and photos are best) any actions/behaviors said person takes.
 
while i agree it's a potential problem because of your legal liability, i think there have been a lot of low-road suggestions offered above.

Don't taunt people. Don't try to piss people off for no good reason. If anything happens to his gear, he's just going to get mad at you, and he's likely completely irrational and his response could be anything. You're just begging for retaliation, that will inevitably escalate. That's not a situation you want to start and then leave your wife to deal with while you're deployed.
 
Ditto for removing any trash you find on your land, but dispose of properly, not polluting a waterway - guy might have some "interesting" diseases.
 
There's a limit to what you can do to eject him if he's not on your land. You can't shoot him unless he's being a threat to life and limb, but if allowed by local law the idea of a little shooting range isn't a bad one. It's a way of sending a message that you are not to be messed with. Make sure you've got a proper setup with a stop, and obviously don't shoot at him. But in my experience the sound of high powered firearms being unleashed has an effect on nogoodniks. A SAR-1 in rapid fire should do the trick. I've seen it work before. If local law allows, I'd also suggest keeping a long arm openly on your persons at all times while outside. Tends to scare the heck out of people even if you never point it. Of course, Neb. isn't Alaska so your own neighbors may decide you're the greater threat.
 
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