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if he's not bothering anyone and don't have a police record, why bother him, some people just want to be left alone and don't like the modern world.
 
If he is on your land, are you not allowed to "physically remove him" after warning him? I try to take the high road in most circumstances but if a stranger was camping out on my property and he didn't leave and the LEOs didn't do anything about it, then I would not be taking the high road to deal with said stranger. Take it however you want to but someone who is bold enough to ignore your requests to leave might be bold enough to do something much worse, which I wouldn't want to happen to my wife. There are ways to get someone like that to leave or to be arrested, use your imagination.
 
I'm a bit inclined to agree with you, Jeep. If there's no harm, why call foul?
Could be the man is just playin' out a bad hand, waitin' to cash in.
Could be if a guy sat down with him, he might hear a good story or two and maybe learn something. Who knows?

'Course, every once in awhile, I'm wrong.

Biker
 
Jeep,
Do you own land or a home? If so, would it be OK for me to send some homeless people over to your place to camp out? C'mon man, they just want to be left alone and not deal with the modern world. You won't mind, will you?
 
Isn't it time to develop that part of the property? First it needs to be cleared & graded. Some will use a controlled burn to clear the underbrush. Then the tractors come in and flatten that nice area down near the river where you want to clean up. If It's wooded as one mentioned, You'll need the chain saw to cut the wooded area. Spring cleaning you know. Also good time to be storing up on next years fire wood.

Once the area is cleared of mess your issues with th squatter should disaper as well.
 
In Texas, if he is tesspassing at night, you can shoot him. I love Texas.
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In Texas, if he is tesspassing at night, you can shoot him. I love Texas.

What if it's still twilight? Can you poke him with a stick? What if it's just really cloudy?
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Great material for the "antis"! :mad: There may be a law on the books giving property owners the legal right to use deadly force on trespassers at such and such a time, but remember this, just because there's a law saying you can do something, doesn't mean you should.
 
Doesn't sound like the guy is really open to reasonable discussion.
i didnt want to get super close or chase him down or anything but all i got out of him was a "go the %$&% away!"
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Seems some of the laws about tresspassing aren't too favorable to land owner's.

My suggestion would be to make sure it's okay with the inlaws and hang no tresspassing signs. At least that gives you more legal standing for asking him to leave, if he's tresspassing.

Just something that I found discouraging....
This is something off of "http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/trespassing," that may or not be something to be aware of. I found it discouraging.
Sometimes a trespasser continues trespassing for such a long time, the law permits the trespasser to have the right to stay on the land. This right ranges from the right to live on the land to the right to pass across it to get somewhere else. If the piece of property in dispute has been used by someone other than the owner for a number of years, the doctrine of adverse possession may apply. State laws vary with respect to time requirements; however, typically, the possession by the non-owner needs to be open, notorious, and under a claim of right. In some states, the non-owner must also pay the property taxes on the occupied land. A permissive use of property eliminates the ability to claim adverse possession. One common form of trespassing is when a neighbor's driveway or fence encroaches onto someone else's land. Sometimes the owner will not want to make an issue of the encroachment—either because it seems to be a minor problem or because the neighbor is a friend. To avoid problems later, however, the owner should give the "trespasser" written permission to keep the ENCROACHMENT for as long as the owner continues to authorize it. If properly handled, this document will prevent the trespasser from acquiring a right to continue the encroachment and from passing along this right to future owners.
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What worked in the army for troublemakers? A couple of burly men with facemasks, a pillowcase for the head of the victim, and lots of wet towels delivered to all parts of the anatomy. Sometimes you have to send a more subtle message than calling the law (to do nothing).
 
if he's not bothering anyone and don't have a police record, why bother him, some people just want to be left alone and don't like the modern world.
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This obviously comes from somone who has never had to deal with tracts of land, never been sued, or never been burglarized.


Ask the person who owns the land next to ours how this works out.

On April 10, 2006 a person that owns a fishing camp on a nearby river had a party on his own land. Everyone got drunk. Some mental giants decided to go joy-riding on other people's land (including mine) and drove a car into the ditch. They went to get a truck to pull the car out of the ditch and in the process, broke the axil on the car.


Anyone want to guess WHO got SUED for damages?????


Sure, it probably won't go too far--- except The Landowner's lawyer fees.

During that same night, a few of those mental giants took a bulldozer he had on his land for clearing, and went joy-riding THROUGH the woods and knocking over trees. When they got it stuck, they left it off in the middle of the woods.

And of course, the landowner had NO RECOURSE.



Anyone who says "live and let live" should do ALL business transactions from here on out on a handshake. You will learn VERY fast how many buddies and swell guys are out there.


John
 
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whats wrong with living homeless down by the river? as long as hes not asking you for change or stealing anything leave him alone. what are the police going to do. arrest him and when he gets out hell be back.i live in a neighborhood with alot of homeless people and the police arrest them all the time. theyre back tommorrow.half of the time if theyre hungry or its cold outside they try to get arrested.
 
From what I have read, the poster has just moved to the property that may or may not be where this river person is actually useing.(may be adjoining property owned by a neighbor or the county/state. Sounds like the parents have been living there for longer maybe a long time. If it were me, I would assume that this fellow probably has someone in the area that knows him, I would not assume he is just a drifter.
I would ask the parents if they or allow me to go visit all the neighbors and ask them if they knew this guy or knew that he was camping out in this location and what they thought about it. You may find out alot more than you know at this point or you may find out they know nothing about it, but at least this may give you a direction to go.

Remember Murphy is watching! I would think that you would not want to start a problem for the parents by doing something really unkind to a person that very well maybe someone that has grown up in that area, and that has family who would not take kindly to unresponsible actions toward this guy. I am not saying anything about giveing this guy a green light, just get more facts.
 
whats wrong with living homeless down by the river?
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1. If it is my property, I can be sued if he falls IN the river.

2. If it is my property, I should not have to worry about if someone is on a part I may wish to use.

3. If it is my property, and I hunt on it, I DO NOT want someone spreading human scent on it.

4. If it is my property, I do not want to have to worry about a stray bullet killing the man. I don't know too many people who bring a backstop with them while hunting.

5. If it is my property, I do not want ANYONE familar with locations, structures, equipment, etc.

6. I do not want ANYONE KNOWING when I come and go, where things are, etc.



My home was burglarized in December by a good ole guy that I tried to help out. A mutual friend let him stay in his summer home until the guy got back on his feet. His wife had left him. He got hooked on drugs. I talked to the guy often and offered to help if I could.

Well, the instant he needed more drugs, he kicked in my front door while I was at work.


John
 
Is the property fenced? This might ne a stupid comment, but where I live, anyone crossing an obvious barrier like a fence can potentially be charged with burglary.
 
So somebody tell me again how it is that we "own" property when every Tom, Dick, and Harry can cross your boundary lines, do any damned thing they like, set up camp rent-free, and YOU get to foot the bill? (Wow, I'm suddenly reminded of the Mexican border issues).

Hey, maybe there's the idea. Beautify the spot, put up a pit toilet and some running water, then present the guy with the bill for using your "private campground". When he refuses to pay...
 
Jeep,
Do you own land or a home? If so, would it be OK for me to send some homeless people over to your place to camp out? C'mon man, they just want to be left alone and not deal with the modern world. You won't mind, will you?

yes! I own a lot of land, mostly woods , and yes people hunt, hike and camp on it. My land is not posted.
Someone sending a group over to squat is one thing, and one person or a family camping out for a couple weeks is another. I have no problem at all with them. They don't do anything for me and i don't do anything for them. No one bothers us and we don't bother them, I seldem talk to any of them as they are just hiking the Applilation Trail and they just camp out for a few days to rest. Some look clean and some look like they was rode hard and put away wet.
 
How about NO MORE POSTS until kir kenix comes back to explain some pertinent items, such as: On whose land is this person? And, what actual cause has he given for fear?

There are too many Low Road responses, so far. And remember that laws vary from state to state, so what's apropos in Texas--or elsewhere--might not mean doodly-squat in Nebraska. And verce-visa. :)

Art
 
Jeep,

That is your choice to do so.

I hope you understand the liability you place yourself and your family in.


I wouldn't recommend anyone else doing this unless they were fully aware of the financial exposure they have placed themselves in. I work too hard for what I have to watch it vanish in a puff of smoke.


and yes people hunt, hike and camp on it. My land is not posted.
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Wow... I just caught his. I hope you are VERY confident in the people who hunt on your land. I'm already imagining the scenerio where one of those hunters shoots one of those hikers or campers out of carelessness.

Do not think for one moment that you will not be included in the Wrongful Death civil suit.


Do what you want, but make sure anyone you give that advice to knows the risk you would have them take.


John
 
From kir kenix

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PM to Art: ive been away from the net for a couple of days and i see that the post i started is now locked. i dont know how to post this so i figured i would message you w/ an update and maybe you can either post it or open it back up so i can finish what i started. thanks.

well, i went into town yesterday and ended up talking to columbus' finest. i told them what was going on and the name of the officer who was contacted and came out before and also explained that there was absolutly no follow up. the officer in charge said he would come out and be present while i asked the man to leave and also suggested i get a bunch of NO TRESPASSING signs.

i waited around ALL day for them to come out and like 6 hours later 2 officers came over. both of them, my father in law, and myself walked down to his camp site. he wasn't there at the time, so we cleaned up his camp, being careful not to destroy or wreck his stuff. we took down his clothes lines he had strewn about, picked up his chair and the rest of his junk. i had to go to work so i left after a few minutes down their.

anyway, to make a long story short, the guy came back talked to the police, got his stuff and apperently left. it was a pretty anti-climactic end to it all. seems as tho i was just being paranoid, as i guess he wasnt too bad of a guy, he just wanted to be left alone.

still i feel alot better knowing that we dont have a potential liability living out here. i will also feel better knowing that we can roam around our own property w/o worrying quite as much about being jumped by this guy. anyway, thanks for all the advise as i have never had to deal w/ anything like this before.

kir
 
I just read this whole thread, and will say that I completely agree with what JWarren has posted (father was a claims adjuster:) ). Something I would like to add is that now is not the time to "let your guard down". The man has already shown himself to be somewhat hostile toward you, and became civil only when he was confronted by LE. I agree with taking walks around property armed (may even have it concealed) just in case he decides to return. He may not come back, but it wouldn't hurt to be vigilant.
 
What Jack L Ope said.

Invite friends, take a video camera, lots of guns and ammo. Film you all having a great time, eating, sipping iced tea, hot cocoa whatever etc and shooting at targets you have set up on property "down by the river".

Then at some time or other someone says "Hey, what's that guy doing over there"? (Camera pans ninety degrees away from target area to show Joe Vagrant running like blazes across the property). Then, back to the festivities.

Get that sob used to lots of shooting going on at randaom on the property and he won't likely be stupid enough to come back. Allow him to stay there and he is trouble waiting to happen. Maybe serious trouble. I would not let him stay there a single day.

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