javacodeman
Member
Does he look anything like this?
If so, he may be good for a laugh.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
java
vagrant living on/around property...
- Thread starter kir_kenix
- Start date
- Status
Does he look anything like this?
If so, he may be good for a laugh.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
java
Gunsmith
I think if you own land adjacent to the appalachian trail
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
that you would have a clue on it's spelling.
sorry if my typo bothered you, i'm supprized you knew what i was talking about. but i'm still not posting our land.
I think if you own land adjacent to the appalachian trail
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
that you would have a clue on it's spelling.
sorry if my typo bothered you, i'm supprized you knew what i was talking about. but i'm still not posting our land.
03Shadowbob
Member
Jeep,
I hear you and can understand where you are coming from if it was 50 years ago but not in today's world. Our family has a ton of land (5,000 acres in western NC and about 7,000 spread through GA and AL) that has been in our family many many years. It used to not bother us if people hunted or camped on it but with liability lawsuits and people refusing to leave the land the way they found it, we put an end to it.
I'd rather leave that land to our grandkids than give it to some lawyers and his client because of a liability lawsuit.
I hear you and can understand where you are coming from if it was 50 years ago but not in today's world. Our family has a ton of land (5,000 acres in western NC and about 7,000 spread through GA and AL) that has been in our family many many years. It used to not bother us if people hunted or camped on it but with liability lawsuits and people refusing to leave the land the way they found it, we put an end to it.
I'd rather leave that land to our grandkids than give it to some lawyers and his client because of a liability lawsuit.
joab
Member
I still want to know if the guy was on the OP land or just the neighboring county land.
busy_squirrel
Member
He was on the OPs land NEAR the border.
jnojr
Member
Seeing as how this is far away from anything and the cops don't care...
I'd go down there and tell him his time's up. He needs to move along. Anything other than a "OK, I'll be gone by tomorrow morning" earns him a face full of pepper spray and a polite repeat of my request, along with the tidbit that if he isn't gone in the morning, he's going to get a whole hell of a lot worse than a little taco seasoning.
You have to make him want to leave. Right now, he wants to stay, and legally, there isn't much you can do. The law isn't perfect, and occasioanlly extra-legal measures are necessary. Let him know that staying is going to cause him no end of problems, all of which will immediately disappear when he shoves off, and your problem will be solved.
Naturally, you need to retain plausible deniability... "No, officer, I've been right here at the house with these five good friends of mine. I have no idea why an obviously-mentally-unstable individual would be making bizarre allegations about me. Perhaps he's in need of medical assistance?"
Another way to get the point across is to clean out his camp. If he comes back from a day of begging and burglarizing, and discovers a bare dirt patch where all of his "stuff" used to be, he'll be a little upset... but he'll also move along. Maybe not the first time, but after a second?
I'd go down there and tell him his time's up. He needs to move along. Anything other than a "OK, I'll be gone by tomorrow morning" earns him a face full of pepper spray and a polite repeat of my request, along with the tidbit that if he isn't gone in the morning, he's going to get a whole hell of a lot worse than a little taco seasoning.
You have to make him want to leave. Right now, he wants to stay, and legally, there isn't much you can do. The law isn't perfect, and occasioanlly extra-legal measures are necessary. Let him know that staying is going to cause him no end of problems, all of which will immediately disappear when he shoves off, and your problem will be solved.
Naturally, you need to retain plausible deniability... "No, officer, I've been right here at the house with these five good friends of mine. I have no idea why an obviously-mentally-unstable individual would be making bizarre allegations about me. Perhaps he's in need of medical assistance?"
Another way to get the point across is to clean out his camp. If he comes back from a day of begging and burglarizing, and discovers a bare dirt patch where all of his "stuff" used to be, he'll be a little upset... but he'll also move along. Maybe not the first time, but after a second?
jnojr...
You're just gonna walk up an OC a guy for chits and grins? You *do* know that if the guy has asthma or other fairly common lung problems you'll likely grease 'im, right?
I'm all for plantin' people if the situation warrants it, but doin' it just because you can indicates some deep-seated feelings of inferiority.
If he bothers you that bad, talk to him man to man and move 'im that way if you can't come to an agreement.
Jesus H. Christ on a Roman Hurt Stick...I swear that some folks on this board are just looking for a reason to put a man deep in the hurt locker...y'all likely haven't seen the real thing and if you did, you'd likely go wee-wee in your pants.
Sickening...
Biker
You're just gonna walk up an OC a guy for chits and grins? You *do* know that if the guy has asthma or other fairly common lung problems you'll likely grease 'im, right?
I'm all for plantin' people if the situation warrants it, but doin' it just because you can indicates some deep-seated feelings of inferiority.
If he bothers you that bad, talk to him man to man and move 'im that way if you can't come to an agreement.
Jesus H. Christ on a Roman Hurt Stick...I swear that some folks on this board are just looking for a reason to put a man deep in the hurt locker...y'all likely haven't seen the real thing and if you did, you'd likely go wee-wee in your pants.
Sickening...
Biker
WayneConrad
Member
Whatever happened to "The High Road?" :banghead:
There are some needlessly passive suggestions, but that's not what bugs me. There are a great many suggestions for needless violence. This is not a problem best solved with pillow sacks, pepper spray, or most of the other silly suggestions I've just read.
Come on, fellows. This is not a playground. This is a place of advocacy and reason. Wanna talk tough? This ain't the place for it. Even if it's a joke, it doesn't play well in the public eye.
Just saying.
There are some needlessly passive suggestions, but that's not what bugs me. There are a great many suggestions for needless violence. This is not a problem best solved with pillow sacks, pepper spray, or most of the other silly suggestions I've just read.
Come on, fellows. This is not a playground. This is a place of advocacy and reason. Wanna talk tough? This ain't the place for it. Even if it's a joke, it doesn't play well in the public eye.
Just saying.
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
like biker said
Naturally, you need to retain plausible deniability... "No, officer, I've been right here at the house with these five good friends of mine. I have no idea why an obviously-mentally-unstable individual would be making bizarre allegations about me. Perhaps he's in need of medical assistance?"
spoken like a true veteran of many an "extralegal action" not.
i've lived in the woods a time or two. and just wanted to be left the f alone. apparently back then the folks didn't scare as easy
Naturally, you need to retain plausible deniability... "No, officer, I've been right here at the house with these five good friends of mine. I have no idea why an obviously-mentally-unstable individual would be making bizarre allegations about me. Perhaps he's in need of medical assistance?"
spoken like a true veteran of many an "extralegal action" not.
i've lived in the woods a time or two. and just wanted to be left the f alone. apparently back then the folks didn't scare as easy
IndianaBoy
Member
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2005
- Messages
- 1,551
I'd go have one more chat and firmly insinuate that it is in his best interests to move along.
Go for that.. crazy gleam in eye.. look.
Go for that.. crazy gleam in eye.. look.
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
of course you could
makea real effort to treat/talk to him like hes human.
so far all i heard he was doing was dumpster diving unless therewas something in thje dumpster you really liked whats the harm?i took in a guy like that a few years back turned out to be a retired marine gunny with 20 plus years in . had some issues and eventually i hada send hom down the road but not a real threat to anyone but himself.
makea real effort to treat/talk to him like hes human.
so far all i heard he was doing was dumpster diving unless therewas something in thje dumpster you really liked whats the harm?i took in a guy like that a few years back turned out to be a retired marine gunny with 20 plus years in . had some issues and eventually i hada send hom down the road but not a real threat to anyone but himself.
cassandrasdaddy
Member
- Joined
- Jul 1, 2006
- Messages
- 4,206
cfriesen
i had a buddy from high school was a big guy but a candy ass and a lil bit of a bully. he used to like to mess with the homeless folks . it was safe. and it allowed him to push around folks who scared him a bit. homeless/mentally ill folks scare people. generate some sad behavior. and on the net folks get brave will let show all their "choicer " character traits.
of course it got my buddys butt kicked twice
i had a buddy from high school was a big guy but a candy ass and a lil bit of a bully. he used to like to mess with the homeless folks . it was safe. and it allowed him to push around folks who scared him a bit. homeless/mentally ill folks scare people. generate some sad behavior. and on the net folks get brave will let show all their "choicer " character traits.
of course it got my buddys butt kicked twice
I do not support any illegal or extreme measures to remove the person from the property, and nothing I posted suggested that.
I do, however, support removing ANYONE who doesn't have a legitimate reason from the property through legal channels and legal means.
I've made my case. The financial liability of doing nothing, or even encouraging the vagrant outweighs any warm-fuzzies you may get. My first priority is to my family. As I consider the potential harms both physical and to their financial future, the list become very one-sided.
As I read the OP's experiences, my sympathies for this vagrant ends the instant that he told the OP to "go the %$&% away!" I promise you that no one will be telling me that on my own property.
One thing that I am suprised that no one has mentioned:
The OP mentioned that:
Why not offer to help the person relocate to COUNTY land?
John
I do, however, support removing ANYONE who doesn't have a legitimate reason from the property through legal channels and legal means.
I've made my case. The financial liability of doing nothing, or even encouraging the vagrant outweighs any warm-fuzzies you may get. My first priority is to my family. As I consider the potential harms both physical and to their financial future, the list become very one-sided.
As I read the OP's experiences, my sympathies for this vagrant ends the instant that he told the OP to "go the %$&% away!" I promise you that no one will be telling me that on my own property.
One thing that I am suprised that no one has mentioned:
The OP mentioned that:
Why not offer to help the person relocate to COUNTY land?
John
http://www.bradycampaign.org/blog/2007/03/30/anniversary-musings-by-guest-blogger-sarah-brady/
Well, if anyone doubted the potential impact of poor conduct on this forum, I invite them to visit the blog comments at this link :banghead:
Copied from the comments:
Well, if anyone doubted the potential impact of poor conduct on this forum, I invite them to visit the blog comments at this link :banghead:
Copied from the comments:
Last edited:
joab
Member
What makes us look even stupider is the incessant asinine and incorrect accusations of her purchase of a gift rifle for her son as a straw purchase.
Before you make an accusation like that you should be aware of the facts of the law that you are using for your attack
Pretty much why I kept asking if the person was actually an the OPs property, which I still am not completely clear on.
If he is on your property you have every legal right to make his life hell, but then he's probably use to hell by now
Personally if he is just an urban outdoorsman living off the grid and maintaining that half mile buffer zone I'd watch him but not molest him. At most I would explain to him that a quick trip across the river would make everyone happier.. But then he would still be that same half a mile from you.
Here's another thing to think about
If he was just a harmless vagrant he most likely would have not caused any problems so as not to be kicked out.
On the other hand if he was someone to be worried about, how pissed do you think he is now?
Sleep well
Before you make an accusation like that you should be aware of the facts of the law that you are using for your attack
Pretty much why I kept asking if the person was actually an the OPs property, which I still am not completely clear on.
If he is on your property you have every legal right to make his life hell, but then he's probably use to hell by now
Personally if he is just an urban outdoorsman living off the grid and maintaining that half mile buffer zone I'd watch him but not molest him. At most I would explain to him that a quick trip across the river would make everyone happier.. But then he would still be that same half a mile from you.
Here's another thing to think about
If he was just a harmless vagrant he most likely would have not caused any problems so as not to be kicked out.
On the other hand if he was someone to be worried about, how pissed do you think he is now?
Sleep well
Professor K
Member
BTW, this thread got posted on the brady blog now. Thanks to all you who gave great suggestions of shooting him or other stupid stuff.
I guess don't do anything crazy. Ask him to get off, bottom line, if he's doing nothing to hurt you, then dont bother.
I guess don't do anything crazy. Ask him to get off, bottom line, if he's doing nothing to hurt you, then dont bother.
And therefore, not a liability to you OR able to sue you for any misfortune he may experience while on your property.
I don't like some of the more extreme reponses on this thread either. But I also don't like ones that suggest that it is fine to expose yourself to liability. Doing that only feeds our out of control legal system and allows people to unjustly exploit others.
I stand by everything I wrote on this thread. I make my living helping people make sound financial choices and avoid this kind of liability-- so they DON'T end up homeless living in a van down by the river. If I suggested otherwise to someone who was a client of mine, I would be found liable of not fulfilling my fudiciary responsibilities. In anything I say here, I hold myself to the same standard.
Let the Brady's make what they will of my statements.
John
cngerms
member
1. I'm glad the guy is gone from your property because he was a potential financial and safety liability; maybe more so than you'll ever know. Fortunately, you won't have to find out the hard way now; especially, through a midnight phone call while you're overseas. I would certainly consider this vagrant a security risk in light of his response to your request to vacate. You had every right to legally expel him from your land so don't permit others to guilt you into another course of action. Have a beer with him after he tells you to *&^% off???? Yea, right!!! It's no wonder we have Elizabeth Smart-type episodes on the nightly news..... Oh, look, it's a large, pretty, wooden horse. Let's bring him inside....... Let those who chastened you on this thread take in these strays. You had no idea who this guy was or what his intentions were and you chose to minimalize the risk. Isn't that why we carry; to minimalize risks??? I don't think you are paranoid at all. I think you're a prudent individual concerned for the safety of his family. You have a new bride whom you're obligated to protect so kudos to you. I'd like to buy YOU a beer for being a man! Maybe I could learn from you instead of some guy who "lives in a van down by the river." OH, NO, wait, the guy on your property didn't even own a van!
2. Who cares what the simple-minded Brady Bunch is copying and pasting to their blogs? Do any of us really believe we're going to win their hearts and minds with candy kisses and gumdrops? Long ago, they made up their minds about what they think of gun-owners and it isn't flattering to THR members. Brady is a spin doctor and she'll twist ANYTHING you say into something which advances her agenda. I thought a couple of posts here were over-the-top and unhelpful, as well, but it'll be a cold day in hell when I parse my words or pull punches based on what the Brady dolts think. YES, by all means be intelligent, courteous, and professional here, but I don't think we should act like a bunch of hand-wringing U.N. ambassadors worried about what the Islamofascists think of them either. You're not going to change their minds; they have to be politically defeated. Sarah Brady tucks tail and runs when she's challenged because she has an untenable agenda. Just look at her recent live blog and witness how she split when faced with opposition. Anyone want to claim you changed her mind?
3. Finally, kir kenix, thank you for your service! I'm happy to know you're going overseas with a little peace of mind concerning the goings-on back home. Be safe and come home soon!
2. Who cares what the simple-minded Brady Bunch is copying and pasting to their blogs? Do any of us really believe we're going to win their hearts and minds with candy kisses and gumdrops? Long ago, they made up their minds about what they think of gun-owners and it isn't flattering to THR members. Brady is a spin doctor and she'll twist ANYTHING you say into something which advances her agenda. I thought a couple of posts here were over-the-top and unhelpful, as well, but it'll be a cold day in hell when I parse my words or pull punches based on what the Brady dolts think. YES, by all means be intelligent, courteous, and professional here, but I don't think we should act like a bunch of hand-wringing U.N. ambassadors worried about what the Islamofascists think of them either. You're not going to change their minds; they have to be politically defeated. Sarah Brady tucks tail and runs when she's challenged because she has an untenable agenda. Just look at her recent live blog and witness how she split when faced with opposition. Anyone want to claim you changed her mind?
3. Finally, kir kenix, thank you for your service! I'm happy to know you're going overseas with a little peace of mind concerning the goings-on back home. Be safe and come home soon!
FMJMIKE
Member
First...If this happens to anyone. Make sure it is your property!!! Second... Call the authorities.......... If they don't remove him. Ask them why. Then go higher up the chain of command if it is not resolved. We do have some childish responses here. I am sure most of it is just made in jest. Kinda a shame that everything posted will be analyzed by people looking for evidence to use against gun owners. I personally would want the person removed from my property. There is plenty of public land available for campers in National Forests if he wants to be alone. Take care...........
kb2iaw
Member
Vagrent ?
Sorry to hear of your plight , But id be carefull dealing with this person,and do it to the letter of the law...two wrongs dont make it right .
First i think you said you just moved into your in-laws house, That alone makes it your in-laws problem . secondly i would document his movements with photos . third make sure you have copies of any written reports, I wonder if he`s a veteren with some PTSD ? If he gets agitated he may get an A.C,L.U. lawer and try to invoke squaters rights if the land is not yours . ...Some of the suggestions herein were valid and some were childish at most . The best way to resolve this is by an attorney and not on a gun forum . My best to you and your family .
Sorry to hear of your plight , But id be carefull dealing with this person,and do it to the letter of the law...two wrongs dont make it right .
First i think you said you just moved into your in-laws house, That alone makes it your in-laws problem . secondly i would document his movements with photos . third make sure you have copies of any written reports, I wonder if he`s a veteren with some PTSD ? If he gets agitated he may get an A.C,L.U. lawer and try to invoke squaters rights if the land is not yours . ...Some of the suggestions herein were valid and some were childish at most . The best way to resolve this is by an attorney and not on a gun forum . My best to you and your family .
Fact is, problems such as this one can often be resolved by looking a man in the eye and treating him with respect. As was mentioned before, the man might be a combat Vet...ever look at someone and think to yourself 'But for the grace of God, there go I...'?
It can happen. I've known decent men (and women) to make mistakes that led them down the road to ruin. Dunno about you, but if I see a scrawny, hungry, mangy stray dog, my first impulse isn't to kick 'im. I might let him stay in my yard for a night or two and give him a decent meal while I figure out how best to help him.
Of course, I know dogs a lot better than I know people.
Point is, if there isn't an immediate problem, why create one? The time for OC and clubs and masks and all that movie stuff is for when everything else fails, IMO.
Biker
It can happen. I've known decent men (and women) to make mistakes that led them down the road to ruin. Dunno about you, but if I see a scrawny, hungry, mangy stray dog, my first impulse isn't to kick 'im. I might let him stay in my yard for a night or two and give him a decent meal while I figure out how best to help him.
Of course, I know dogs a lot better than I know people.
Point is, if there isn't an immediate problem, why create one? The time for OC and clubs and masks and all that movie stuff is for when everything else fails, IMO.
Biker
EricTheBarbarian
Member
who cares what the brady people think. what someone types on an internet forum isnt going to change their stance. one of them could easily get an account and type whatever they want to make gun owners look bad. chances are any comments you make arent going to suddenly make them want to take your guns, they already want to. but someone has to wonder if the man living in a van down by the river was a motivational speaker
- Status
Similar threads
