CQB45ACP
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Also it’s a good thing that new plant in Hooks Texas is cranking out the primers! They are aren’t they?
Vista Outdoor splitting into two - Ammunition companies and Sporting Goods companies
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Are there any independent companies out there that manufacture reloading equipment?
Most have been bought out by others and or just went out of business.
What's going to happen when the owner of CH4D decides to retire? Look at Hollywood Reloading, owner stayed at it for to long, should've sold, place burnt down.
Sure, there will always be someone to make reloading equipment. What's needed are companies that make everything else you need.
Primers and powder are the two most important. Bullets can be swaged out of old cases. Rifle brass would be the next concern as it will wear out fast, depending on how much you shoot.
No company likes bad press or lawsuits, lawyers and government know this. It's the process that's the punishment!
Most have been bought out by others and or just went out of business.
What's going to happen when the owner of CH4D decides to retire? Look at Hollywood Reloading, owner stayed at it for to long, should've sold, place burnt down.
Sure, there will always be someone to make reloading equipment. What's needed are companies that make everything else you need.
Primers and powder are the two most important. Bullets can be swaged out of old cases. Rifle brass would be the next concern as it will wear out fast, depending on how much you shoot.
No company likes bad press or lawsuits, lawyers and government know this. It's the process that's the punishment!
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LiveLife
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Lee Precision - Family owned global company with production and assembly based in USA that likely outsells all the other reloading companies (who moved manufacturing outside of USA) combined.
Vista Outdoor currently owns RCBS - https://vistaoutdoor.com/brands/
Dillon Precision makes reloading presses, dies and other products - https://www.dillonprecision.com/about-us.html
Lyman makes Mark 7/Apex 10 reloading presses and other products - https://www.lymanproducts.com/brands
Hornady makes reloading presses/tools, bullets and ammunition - https://www.hornady.com/corporate/company-history/
Smith & Wesson/American Outdoor Brands owns Frankford Arsenal (Maker of 10 station FX-10 and other reloading presses and accessories), Caldwell, Tipton, Wheeler along with Schrade - https://www.aob.com/brands/
C-H Tool and Die - Maker of reloading tools and dies - https://chtoolanddie.com/
Forster makes Co-Ax press - https://www.forsterproducts.com/about-us/
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CQB45ACP
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The near monopoly on primers or powders isn’t nothing for us is it? We are so dependent we really need to decide what size our own personal supply will be and how we’ll maintain it and where we’ll store it.
Those of you in rural areas have some options folks like me it’s in the house, garage, or shed all within a half acre or less.
Those of you in rural areas have some options folks like me it’s in the house, garage, or shed all within a half acre or less.
GeoDudeFlorida
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Move. Lots of us in the boonies moved here from metro areas because we got fed-up with HMO’s, nosey neighbors, and poorly managed government services.
Not me, of course. I was born in the swamps and raised by gators.
CQB45ACP
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My wife is actually talking that way but staying in VA just a county or two west of here.Move. Lots of us in the boonies moved here from metro areas because we got fed-up with HMO’s, nosey neighbors, and poorly managed government services.
Not me, of course. I was born in the swamps and raised by gators.
Has to be beyond the data center obscenity. And for some reason I’m partial to being near a hospital with 24hour on site (not on call) cardiac geniuses
Am I'm of only guy that sees some good potential coming out of all this. VISTA was buying up soft sports companies in the last few years. In the process, they build up a fair amount of dept. Now that the two will split, the ammo portion should be good to produce lots of stuff and invest into themselves, not all golf balls, etc. Remington has lots of room to expand and hopefully they will. Their marketing people should look at the sales they are losing to small companies and foreign imports. New Remington started out with only 40% of the people the old company had when it went belly up They still have a building and land that is set up to manufacture bullets, cases, primers, shells, etc.and with that they also have sales people from their own established companies.
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LiveLife
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That's what I was taking away from their "Separation Overview" thinking ammunition companies can now better focus on market demand, like for primers and better address supply side. Plans/decisions for expansion can now be made independent of parent corporate bean counters' review and approval with ammunition companies controlling the money purse, especially for new products that parent corporate could see with more "risk" perspective than "benefit".
And I do believe they have multiple plants for primer/component/ammunition manufacturing (At least two for Federal/Speer/CCI and now addition of Remington plant).
When founders of Missouri Bullet Company passed on, production continued with new owners and old managers.
I am quite certain RMR, Berry's, X-Treme, Montana Gold, Precision Delta and countless other lead/coated bullet manufacturers will keep on producing bullets to meet growing demand.
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FROGO207
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Lets hope there are some suits that are smarter than I am and get this division more profitable and ramp up production. Slow and steady will win the race. This will be good for shooters and good for reloaders as well.
Only time will tell.
Only time will tell.
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LiveLife
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They did by adding another primer/ammunition manufacturing plant called "Remington".
Soonerpesek
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They did by adding another primer/ammunition manufacturing plant called "Remington".
True…… but still an existing plant, not an additional plant.
So the same amount of production…
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Actually, national data points to less than 1/3 of Americans owning firearms. Nearly half of us live in homes with firearms (depicted as above), but there are only around 100M gun owners in the US, which is tending to increase over the last decade. And better, a larger percentage of the non-owners reports stating they could see themselves owning firearms than in the past, which is a good thing.
The distribution of the Vista company isn’t a bad thing - remember, these were relatively distressed assets which were purchased and refocused, and which have regained sufficient ground to once again be relatively more independently competitive. It speaks well for our industry, our market, and our rights.
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Didn’t Remington in Roanoke restart at full production last year?
Buzznrose
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Agreed. Let’s hope they all vote to keep their rights.
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I haven’t listened to the show yet (I do the podcasts) but no mention of it in the show notes. Still I suspect it will be covered by someone from Federal or Remington at some point soon as both company managers are frequent guests on the show
I think there is probably merit in having a separation between the ammunition brands and the other outdoor gear brands.
Businesses sometimes try to jam things into the same box that really need to be in separate boxes and maybe they finally figured out that making and selling ammo is a radically different business than binoculars and the supposed benefits of combining them under one roof never materialized. It also appears to me that the outdoor products brands are mostly stuff made overseas by contract manufacturers, while the ammo is made in the USA. Thus the ammo brands need a lot capital expenditures not needed by the rest of the brands.
Businesses sometimes try to jam things into the same box that really need to be in separate boxes and maybe they finally figured out that making and selling ammo is a radically different business than binoculars and the supposed benefits of combining them under one roof never materialized. It also appears to me that the outdoor products brands are mostly stuff made overseas by contract manufacturers, while the ammo is made in the USA. Thus the ammo brands need a lot capital expenditures not needed by the rest of the brands.
Soonerpesek
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You said it yourself............they may have restarted, but not an additional plant...............
Primer production will NOT increase unless there is a new plant created to do so.....
I could only speculate that the current plants are at 100% capacity/production rate at the moment......
BushMaster-15
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A shift in liability focus ,so as to market to iffy vendors while maximizing profit from the money maker .
Corporations due it all the time ,funded and unfunded liability ,whether financial or WOKE moralism market expansion is risky . Just ask Buttwiper aka Budweiser aka Heineken
When I personally see reduction in wholesale pricing , I'll then judge the effects and efficiency of the split .
Corporations due it all the time ,funded and unfunded liability ,whether financial or WOKE moralism market expansion is risky . Just ask Buttwiper aka Budweiser aka Heineken
When I personally see reduction in wholesale pricing , I'll then judge the effects and efficiency of the split .
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LiveLife
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Maybe ammunition companies at Vista Outdoor corporate meetings got tired of being scapegoated for lower revenue generated by sporting goods companies (While ammunition companies posted record breaking revenues operating at 24/7 basis), perhaps blaming "expanded boycott of ammunition companies by association" to explain lower profit margins.
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Maybe ammunition companies at Vista Outdoor corporate meetings got tired of being scapegoated for lower revenue generated by sporting goods companies (While ammunition companies posted record breaking revenues operating at 24/7 basis), perhaps blaming "expanded boycott of ammunition companies by association" to explain lower profit margins.
Blaming the entire industry as a whole entity ,as it's firearm related . This is typical election year tactics but those discussions aren't allowed .
I think we're all on the same page ,knowing the blame game scapegoats
GeoDudeFlorida
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It’s from 2022, actually. We’re just now seeing the results from a decision made last year.
Change can take time.
hoardingthemanual
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In business, you don’t sell the losers. Regardless of what could happen, one of these halves is performing poorly and management decided it needed to fail on its own. I’m typically wrong about this stuff which means .03¢ primers in our near future.
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AOBC did the same thing with S&W.
