Vista Outdoor splitting into two - Ammunition companies and Sporting Goods companies

[westernrover]

I'm hoping that RCBS goes with the Outdoor umbrella or that management in Oroville buys it out because RCBS has been a good for a long time.

I avoid buying anything from a business run by Jason Vanderbrink:

 

[LiveLife]

As anticipated for some time, after being spun off ATK into Vista Outdoor in 2015, Vista Outdoor is splitting into two publicly traded companies - https://www.outdoorsportswire.com/v...to-two-independent-publicly-traded-companies/

• Outdoor Products will include "Sporting Goods" companies like CamelBak, Bell, Giro, Camp Chef, Bushnell, Bushnell Golf, Foresight Sports, Stone Glacier and QuietKat, etc. Outdoor Products will be led by Chris Metz as CEO and headquartered in Bozeman, Montana.
• Sporting Products (to be renamed at a later date) will include ammunition companies [Alliant], Federal, Remington, CCI, Speer, Estate Cartridge and HEVI-Shot. Jason Vanderbrink, current President of Sporting Products, will be appointed CEO and headquartered in Anoka, Minnesota.

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UPDATE: Vista Outdoor split into two companies has finalized and ammunition companies were bought by Czechoslovak Group - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ompanies-and-sporting-goods-companies.920371/

Czechoslovak Group Acquiring Federal, CCI, Hevi-Shot, Remington Ammo and Speer. The leadership and manufacturing of each company will continue to be located in the United States - https://www.shootingillustrated.com...deral-cci-hevi-shot-remington-ammo-and-speer/

Czechoslovak Group (CSG) has entered into a definitive agreement to purchase the Sporting Products division of Vista Outdoor for $1.91 billion. The manufacturers that will change ownership include Federal, CCI, Hevi-Shot, Remington Ammo and Speer, some of the industry’s foremost ammunition manufacturers.​

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“We are confident that CSG is a great home for our leading ammunition brands,” said Jason Vanderbrink, CEO of Vista Sporting Products. “The company is fully committed to our iconic American brands and expanding our legacy of U.S. manufacturing, support for military and law enforcement customers, and investments in conservation and our hunting and shooting heritage. We are excited to work closely with the CSG team as we enter this next phase and position our brands for long-term success.”​

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This is interesting and I wonder how this will affect Alliant powder and CCI/Federal/Remington primer production moving forward with purchase coming on the heels of Speer/CCI's new proprietary lead-free catalyst primer production and "historic" large Federal ammunition contract with US Army:

Speer and CCI Ammunition announced the implementation and production of market-leading Catalyst lead-free priming technology in their Lewiston, Idaho, facility earlier this week. The proprietary Catalyst primer was initially developed by Speer and CCI’s partner company, Federal Ammunition, in exhaustive research and testing that began in 2016 - https://www.americanrifleman.org/co...-lead-free-catalyst-primer-production-in-u-s/​

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United States Army Contracting Command awarded Federal Ammunition with a five-year contract to produce the AA40 5.56 NATO frangible ammunition (MK311 MOD 3) used by U.S. military branches during training. Total value of the firm, fixed-price agreement is $114,813,500 and estimated completion date is Aug. 17, 2027. “This contract is historic,” said Jason Vanderbrink, president of Federal Ammunition. “It is the largest government contract awarded to Federal in its 100 years of operation - https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/federal-ammunition-awarded-114-million-u-s-army-contract/​

 

[hoardingthemanual]

The nationalist in me would like these American stories to stay American by contract and soil. The capitalist in me knows globalism is the way of the world. I hope the new international owners don't give Americans the short end of the stick.

 

[GW Staar]

The following companys are still listed above RCBS's web site as "sister" companies.....

• Bushnell
• RCBS
• Weaver
• Primos
• Butler Creek
• Champion
• Hoppe's
• Uncle Mikes
• Blackhawk
• Gold Tip
• Bee Stinger

only one company among them, Bushnell, is on either list below......so what happens to them? (I'm guessing "outdoor products".....just a guess....no not even educated)

• Outdoor Products will include "Sporting Goods" companies like CamelBak, Bell, Giro, Camp Chef, Bushnell, Bushnell Golf, Foresight Sports, Stone Glacier and QuietKat, etc. Outdoor Products will be led by Chris Metz as CEO and headquartered in Bozeman, Montana.
• Sporting Products (to be renamed at a later date) will include ammunition companies [Alliant], Federal, Remington, CCI, Speer, Estate Cartridge and HEVI-Shot. Jason Vanderbrink, current President of Sporting Products, will be appointed CEO and headquartered in Anoka, Minnesota. (Czech group)

That said RCBS has been apart of ATK's then Vista's "sporting division" whatever that means.....maybe nothing.....
UPDATE: RCBS is now in Vista's Outdoor Products......Guess the CZech's didn't want them......

 

[Howa 9700]

There was a day a few years back when I woke up to realize how many ammo eggs were in Vista's basket, and that was the day I resolved to resume reloading for all shooting irons I had dominion over. Realized if the wrong sort ever got control of all that supply.....and especially primers...... we would be in a world of hurt. They would not need to confiscate guns if the guns had no ammo. Expensive paper weights and clubs is all you would have. Have since put together enough stash I won't come up short in ability to keep guns running hot......for lack of means.

Hope this bust up proves to be a good thing for shooters and the new owners kick it. But am now prepared if this goes south. Unsettling to say the least.

 

[NMexJim]

I don't see how, without expanding their factories.
Looks more like Executives Full Employment Plan with two sets of bosses instead of one.

Also separates the nasty old gun stuff from the soft sports, so they can still sell stuff after more repression of shooters.

Are you trying to say that bosses are like diapers….????

 

[CQB45ACP]

The day a few years back when I woke up to realize how many ammo eggs were in Vista's basket was the day I resolved to resume reloading for all shooting irons I had dominion over. Realized if the wrong sort got control of all that supply.....and especially primers...... we would be in a world of hurt. Have since put together enough stash I won't come up short in ability to keep guns running hot......for lack of means.

Hope this bust up proves to be a good thing for shooters and the new owners kick it. But am now prepared if this goes south. Unsettling to say the least.

I agree except for the Czech part. I don’t care where they say production is, a stroke of a bureaucrat’s pen can stop imports in a heartbeat.

 

[Thomasss]

If Vista has a contract with the federal government, why in the world would anyone let a sale to a foreign company proceed?

 

[CQB45ACP]

If Vista has a contract with the federal government, why in the world would anyone let a sale to a foreign company proceed?

Federal government has many contracts with foreign and multinational corporations.

Including in the defense/national security realm but probably not intel community

 

[xtratoy]

A while back i talked to a relative of a person who worked at Vista's primer manufacturing plant and he said he was told that Vista had/has been throttling back primer production. About that same time Jason Vanvronk was out denying that. I'm just repeating what i heard and can't verify the accuracy of the claim.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Federal government has many contracts with foreign and multinational corporations.

Including in the defense/national security realm but probably not intel community

“Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!”
Cosmonaut Lev Andropov, Armageddon

The “intelligence community” uses the same Dell and HP computers made in China the rest of us use. They just pay more for them.

 

[CQB45ACP]

“Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!”
Cosmonaut Lev Andropov, Armageddon

The “intelligence community” uses the same Dell and HP computers made in China the rest of us use. They just pay more for them.

Maybe. I’ve been gone way too long to even guess.

 

[LiveLife]

Update to post #52 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-goods-companies.920371/page-3#post-12737880

• Outdoor Products will include "Sporting Goods" companies like CamelBak, Bell, Giro, Camp Chef, Bushnell, Bushnell Golf, Foresight Sports, Stone Glacier and QuietKat, etc. Outdoor Products will be led by Chris Metz as CEO and headquartered in Bozeman, Montana.
• Sporting Products will include ammunition companies [Alliant], Federal, Remington, CCI, Speer, Estate Cartridge and HEVI-Shot. Jason Vanderbrink, current President of Sporting Products, will be appointed CEO and headquartered in Anoka, Minnesota.

FYI, got this PM from Paul with Alliant Powders:

I can't tell you anything more than what has been declared publicly, and that is business as usual for the Sporting Products group.​

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Alliant Powder(R) is part of the Sporting Products group, and the primers are manufactured at our ammunition plants, so no changes that I can see.​

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Again, what we are being told is Jason Vanderbrink will run the Kinetic Group autonomously, presumably under private ownership by the CSG Group.​

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So Alliant powders along with Federal/Remington primers presumably are being sold to CSG under the "Sporting Products" company.

 

[GW Staar]

Exactly as I posted October 16 post #54 ......only I added RCBS to the "Outdoor products" on the last line based on information I got from RCBS the next day. So nothing new.....VISTA shafted the US ammo industry.