We are under assault.

[Fine Figure of a Man]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...d0Vd6n6NAKRN6WIX2uTepMIyr3fvEtTJ1m-jCF8074CQ4
It makes no difference of the passes or not there will be executive orders that do the same thing possibly more.

 

[Blue Jays]

"...Her tearful father was there to receive the body of his exchange student daughter at Karachi Airport in Pakistan. Abdul Aziz Sheikh said he hopes her death leads to stricter gun control in the United States..."

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Amazing that is his main takeaway from this heinous crime from his home thousands of miles away.

 

[GEM]

Drive by
Closed

 

[GEM]

From the OP, so reopened:

New https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th...d0Vd6n6NAKRN6WIX2uTepMIyr3fvEtTJ1m-jCF8074CQ4
This would require every gun owner to report to the ATF with the make, model, and serial number of every gun he or she owns.
Report when and who you loan a gun someone else.
Get a psychological evaluation to prove you are worthy of possessing a firearm.
Those that are blessed with the privilege of owning a firearm have to buy an insurance policy on it. Not sure why or for what, but it will no doubt cost as much or more than the gun every year.

This would effectively ban firearms and make felons out of gun owners. It won't pass but there will be many like it more coming.
I predict, based on promises made, that an executive order similar to this bill will be signed in the next few weeks.

Thoughts? Am I wrong?

 

[hanno]

Crystal ball is broken but I am not a naive person. Considering who we are dealing with, I believe that taxes, lawsuits, executive orders and onerous laws are coming our way.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Not wrong. Elections have consequences. We lost. America lost.

All hail the new Boss.

 

[Izzy77]

No one can predict anything, but the current political environment favors more restrictions. Note also .50 cal is forbidden, as are "large capacity" magazines, minimum 10-15 year sentences in the bill, annual renewal for the first 5 years, and a special "millitary" weapons license. The fee for the license alone is 800 USD, without the bill for mandated insurance, and the cost cost of having at least 3-4 people ( you , wife, 2 friends / family) undergo psychiatric evaluation. No "sunset" clause either.



This is a "winner take all" bill, made to "compromise" or morph into a slightly less bitter pill...I dont think it passes constitutional muster even with our tepid courts in the current form. I see some EO's comming as well, but if they were broad in authority ( like this bill) they would be tied up in court.

Of curious note, this bill is more restrictive than Pakistan's current gun laws:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_Pakistan

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/pakistan

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

They couldnt name it after one of the American kids killed in that attack? Thats awesome.

Sure lets take a bill that is sure to incense a hundred million US citizens, and name it for a foreign national. Boy, that wont cause ANY resentment at all against the Pakistani diaspora, other Muslims, or foreigners in general. Great idea, there, Ms. Lee. Just. Brilliant.

 

[Tommygunn]

If poll taxes are illegal, could not the above listed ..... infringements be fought through the courts? Yea, I get it, packing the courts, etc., etc., and then we also wind up speculating on what a court will say about the laws and how the 2A applies ......

 

[Fyrstyk]

I passed in its current form, There will be a lot of criminals created. They better start building a bunch more prisons, or prepare for states to succeed from the union.

 

[Tommygunn]

I passed in its current form, There will be a lot of criminals created. They better start building a bunch more prisons, or prepare for states to succeed from the union.

" Secede" from the union, not "succeed." Anyway, not gonna happen. Tried in 1861 and it sorta went sideways a tad.

 

[Hartkopf]

I passed in its current form, There will be a lot of criminals created. They better start building a bunch more prisons, or prepare for states to succeed from the union.

After this communist takeover, if Texas takes a vote, I’ll vote to secede in a heartbeat.

 

[Kleanbore]

Secede

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

" Secede" from the union, not "succeed." Anyway, not gonna happen. Tried in 1861 and it sorta went sideways a tad.

That was for all the wrong reasons. Its a little different this time.

Secede.

We have reached a window where it can still be done bloodlessly since the new regime has yet to consolidate their power. Once that happens, say in a year or two, they will have the Pentagon restocked with politically reliable officers who will have no compunction against disbanding the National Guard and using the active military to subdue the Red states by force.

Yes, it will be rocky. Yes, it will be scary- but it can be done with words and paper. The longer we wait, the more likely it will happen anyway, but with fire and blood.

We have reached a point where half the country is unwilling to live under rules dictated by the other half. We have no common bonds of philosophy or culture anymore. A nation may persevere without a common language or religion, but NOT without common values.

The best option is to shake hands, wish them well, and let each side forge a new way forward seperately. Time will tell, and history will judge who was right. Hell, theres no reason the successor States couldnt reform a union again at a later date, if they agree to- or even form a different sort of defense and trade coalition without social authority over each other.

The Red states must call for a new Constitutional convention. Indeed, given the geographical realities of the cultural divide, it may become necessary to form 3-4 new nations. So be it.

Better this than the alternative- a rehash of 1861.

 

[CapnMac]

if Texas takes a vote

Only if we get to return to the 1836 borders.

Which will have obstacles.
Like Kansas is unlikely to take Denver.
And having to abrogate the 1880 Act of Re-annexation, which specifically voids the right to reassert the Republic.
So, about the same chance as a fart in a funnel cloud.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

I'm wondering why +/-2500 counties should have to secede from +/-500 counties?
Maybe we should be talking about expulsion instead of secession.
Those 500 counties could get rid of the 2A or the entire bill of rights if that is what the voters want.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I'm wondering why +/-2500 counties should have to secede from +/-500 counties?
Maybe we should be talking about expulsion instead of secession.
Those 500 counties could get rid of the 2A or the entire bill of rights if that is what the voters want.

Because those 500 match the population of the other 2500.

And theres a big difference between walking away from a relationship and throwing the other partner out of the house. The former is painful but the latter requires either force or the threat of force.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

It won't pass...

I'm starting to see this thought process more and more frequently. How can you be so sure? Why would you think that? I'm very concerned that gun owners have been lulled to sleep and gun control will pass easily because to many people think it won't pass.

I predict, based on promises made, that an executive order similar to this bill will be signed in the next few weeks.

Thoughts? Am I wrong?

I don't think the office of the presidency has that kind of power in the executive order. A president may make an attempt, but, if the Supreme Court remains as it is currently, I believe they would declare such an executive order as an unconstitutional act. A different court may, however, sustain it. In any event, I agree with you that there will be executive orders to harass, hinder, and otherwise negatively impact gun owners.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Not wrong. Elections have consequences. We lost. America lost.

All hail the new Boss.

Very sensible response. People need to get it together. How or why the election resulted as it it did is largely irrelevant now. We need to get back in the saddle and fight the good fight in the political arena. We need to put up a political fight for the record books. Anything less than that will assure defeat.

 

[Izzy77]

This is getting off topic, and you know what happens next....

But Texas was never given permission to secede..it was however given permission to form 4 states IN THE UNION....

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/more-150-years-texas-has-had-power-secede-itself-180962354/

" Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution..."
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/annexation/march1845.html

Now forming 4 states MIGHT get you 8 senators, mostly pro freedom (?), but it would break up Texas...

Please people ( including our beloved Texicans) can we put this myth to rest and FOCUS on the issue at hand...keeping what ever little freedoms we have left?

 

[Armored farmer]

If Texas seceded, i declaremy farm to be Texas.
If males can identify as females, then I can be a Texan, dammit.

 

[NuShootr]

Once that happens, say in a year or two, they will have the Pentagon restocked with politically reliable officers who will have no compunction against disbanding the National Guard and using the active military to subdue the Red states by force.

As much as the military is bound to take orders from the Commander in Chief, they are sworn to protect our Constitution above all else. I do agree that we are coming to a boiling point where there may be a fracture of ideologies about the future of this country.

 

[NuShootr]

Very sensible response. People need to get it together. How or why the election resulted as it it did is largely irrelevant now. We need to get back in the saddle and fight the good fight in the political arena. We need to put up a political fight for the record books. Anything less than that will assure defeat.

We need a new party. Of true Patriots. Our two party system has failed us. Change is imminent.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

We need a new party. Of true Patriots. Our two party system has failed us. Change is imminent.

Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you. If a conservative (most likely socially conservative) 3rd party is created today, all that will be accomplished is a splitting of the fiscal and socially conservative votes and a guaranteed liberal majority in government-especially in presidential races. This is how Woodrow Wilson, and Bill Clinton became president.

Gun owners must find a way to forge a permanent, influential place in the current system. I'm not sure how we can do that, other than by a.) massive voter turn-out and b.) massive financial contributions.

There are x millions of gun owners in America (40% of the population s the best figure I can find), and a cursory internet search shows that NRA has only about 5 mil members, GOA has about 100k, and SAF has about 650k. (It is probable that many gun owners are members of all three.) In any event, that's not even 6 million members combined-less than the difference in the 2020 popular vote. We must find a way to get every gun owner involved with at least one of those organizations, so that Congress can see that they truly represent a significant segment of American society. If we can't do that, then politicians will find it increasingly difficult to take us seriously.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Because those 500 match the population of the other 2500.

And theres a big difference between walking away from a relationship and throwing the other partner out of the house. The former is painful but the latter requires either force or the threat of force.

I look at it as one partner wanting to tear down the house that the other partner built.