What are my choices for a 45-70?

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The only real-world close-to-tactical (but still western) alternative in 45-70 is the Marlin. You got the 18.5" Guide Gun, the 22 " 1895, or the 26" 1895 Cowboy (capacity 9 in the tube). They are all stout (which is good) and heavier (which is also good). Beware, they do push back. Newton is at work. Especially Garret or Buffalo Bore. Newton squared :what:
 
Anyone know how the nef 45-70 is for strength. I know the ruger single shot is reknowned for its durability and ability to take hot loads, but what about the nef. Of all the guns available in 45-70, a lever action or a nef single shot appeals to me most.
 
I have the Handi-Rifle. Quite stout. Handles all of it. When the Marlin forum was up, some stupid guy took pressures up to insane levels and it still functioned. WHen is started "blowing open" the action he called it a day. Still worked after that. I'd say that it is a pretty tough piece.
 
Any 45/70 is a good 45/70, but...

IMHO, Marlin Guide Gun all the way!!! I looked and looked and looked at them for years and thought that they would be fun. After getting one I learned the truth... THEY ARE A BLAST!!!:D


Oh, about the porting being loud:

1. Every gun is loud (at least enough to hurt your hearing)
2. Always wear hearing protection.


I could be the poster child for the modern day version of the old hearing protection warning ad. A guy held an ear plug in one hand and a hearing aid in the other. He said,"You can wear these now (earplugs) or wear these later (hearing aid)." I'm olny 28 years old, and I pull the hearing aid out of my ear and say that very thing to anyone I show how to shoot.

I wish I had seen that ad about a decade earlier before the damage was done. At least now you and I can pass it on new shooters be they young or old.
 
I just shot a H&R HandiRifle yesterday with factory 300grJHPs. IMO, it's a good robust rifle. It's also a robust loading and there ain't a deer in my part of the country that'll stand up after getting hit with it. I'll have to work up some lighter cast lead loads just for general shooting.
 
Mmmm...depends, as others have said.

The Guide Gun is too short, and too loud for my tastes. The regular Marlin .45-70 seems like a good rifle, for general use. The long barreled version should be fine, too.

I really would like to have a #1 in .45-70, just because it has an exceptional balance and class. That said, Browning's traditional Hunter in .45-70 is also a really nice rifle, if you want an iron sighted .45-70 single shot. It and the Ruger have very strong actions, that allow full explotation of the round's potential.

There's also a variety of sharps rifles out there, from Shilohs and Dakotas that are works of art, to Italian copies that are decent.

Original Trapdoor Springfields can be found in shootable condition, but you must be a competent handloader to take advantage of them. Repros are a better bet. H&R sold an "Officer's Model" TDS a few years ago, and it was a nice hunting rifle, fairly light.

There are a number of Remington Rolling Block replicas out, that are solid rifles.

And yes, the Win 1886 is out in a lightweight version. Folks now say this rifle can take any load the Marlin can handle.

I think there even a few Stevens 44 & 1/2 and Ballard replicas out in the caliber. And...

...I read somebody was trying to build an autoloading .45-70.:evil: of course, a .50 Beowulf sorta is the same thing, sorta.:D
 
I've been giving this thread some more thought, and I've looked at Marlin's octagon-barreled Cowboy versions. I've seen more of the long barrels and liked them, but I also remember Marlin did make a limited run of the
short rifle in .45-70 and I really liked it. I know the short barrel puts the muzzle blast closer to you, but I feel both rifles have their place. Just like my H&R has it's place, cannon that it is. Also, there's the 1886 Winchester which John M. Browning designed- it's a .45-70 too, when/if you can find one.
 
I went to a gunshow last weekend, and was sorely tempted by a nef 45-70 with synthetic stock, some bad iron sights, and a scope mount for 175. Unfortunatly, Im seriously looking for a lever action 30-30 so i passed it up. Oh well, hopefully Ill find a better deal one day when Im ready :).
 
Given that this is THR.. "Why do I want one" is always a difficult question..

But I am not a fan of lever actions.. I like pumps, and I don't think anybody makes a pump action.. do they?

How are the Uberti's?
 
twoblink...

Given that this is THR.. "Why do I want one" is always a difficult question..

But I am not a fan of lever actions.. I like pumps, and I don't think anybody makes a pump action.. do they?

Got short arms, eh? Like Tyrannosaurus Rex. ;) :p :D

Me, I'm not a knuckle-dragger Neanderthal, so I'm equally comfortable with a pump or lever. :neener:
 
I've got a Marlin Guide Gun in 444 Marlin. The day I bought it I had a choice between the 444 and a .45-70. Not having done my homework, I looked at bullet prices (knowing I would be reloading) and chose the 444 because the bullets were cheaper. I love my 444 Marlin, but I think the .45-70 would have been a better choice. Then again, the 444 can share bullets with an 1894P in 44 magnum that will very soon be mine. Guess I just need to buy a .45-70 to round out the trio. Hehe.

If you've got the bucks, check out the Wild West Guns Co-Pilot. It's a take-down Guide Gun about which Jeff Cooper often raves. They used to build it by customizing a Marlin, but I think they've started building them from scratch. Maybe WildAlaska will chime in and give us the lowdown.
 
Thats the only drawback that I see, if you could call it that.

With a 444Marlin, you have bullet diameter commonality with the 44Magnum and 44Special, which would be used in a pistol, so you could have a common bullet for pistol and rifle.

Not so with a 45/70, since that is 0.458 diameter. 45ACP and 45Colt is 0.452diameter.
I guess if you were willing to have paper-patched 45/70, then you could use 0.452diameter bullets.

Cowboy logistics mandate that this be thought through. :neener:
 
I swapped a #3 in 45-70 for a #3 in .223

Never even shot the 45-70. That kind of punch out of a carbine class rifle is not my idea of fun.

Here is one other thing to consider when you look at a 45-70. The original 45-70 govt loading is fairly low pressure.

On the other hand you can really turn up the punch in a 45-70 when you hand load with modern powders.

The key is to make sure you have a gun that will take the extraordinarily high pressures possible in a 45-70 load with modern powders (if you have that kind of shooting in mind). If not then ok.

The Ruger chambers are up to it. But if you purchase a rifle intended for the original 45-70 govt loads and you run a very high pressure round through it you may blow yourself up!
 
The one thing that would sway me into getting a bolt-action or a single shot in 45/70 is that *IF* you handload, and can find the bullets, you can really make a lot of specialty ammunition.

Traditional 45/70 is a tube magazine fed animal, and so, the ammunition is necessarilly round nose or flat nose. But if you have a single shot or bolt-action, you can actually use spitzer type bullets. That would be high BC bullets, and out of modern rifles that can handle the pressure, you have a long range rifle, with good terminal ballistics too.
 
Remember...

that the .45-70 is something that can have many different "personalities"

I have an 1895 Marlin .45-70 that has a Pachmayr Decelerator pad. It's fun to shoot with handloads of 405 Speers over Varget. Gets maybe 1750 fps. I could shoot 50 in a row no problem.

I shot a Ruger #1 with REALLY hot handloads...pushing the .458 Win Mag region....black/blue shoulder after one shot.

Original factory loads are super mild. Handloads can be most anywhere.
 
There was mention of a bolt action .45-70 and I take it the poster was meaning other than the Gibbs. I'm reminded of the .458 Winchester chambering in custom rifles built on the 98 Mauser action and wonder if the .45-70 will work through that action. Some modification may have to be done to the magazine and it probably wont hold five rounds, but...
 
How hot can you go??

without looking...(too late to go to the reloading room tonite)

you're pushing the .458 Win Mag envelope. You can pretty much go as far as your shoulder will allow, ASSUMING...

you've got the correct modern firearm (Contender, Ruger, 1895 Marlin, etc.)

those loads in the wrong gun will pretty much guarantee shrapnel wounds

Garrett (sp?) has a website that lists weights and velocities of bullets that will take anything that walks
 
A few ideas come to mind.

The Siamese mauser was chambered for a rimmed ctg and will work in .45-70 without extensive modifications. Any other Mauser will require major alterations.

Navy Arms or Cimmaron Highwall

Remington Rolling block, real or clone

Sharps if you like the style and can live with a very old design.

Thompson Center Contender and Encore, excellent IMHO for accuracy, adjustable trigger and cool factor.

Marlin and Ruger of course, as you mentioned.

Wild West arms if you you want a souped up marlin.

EAA if you want a side by side double rifle with a list price of $629. Chambered for modern high intensity rifle cartridges also, so I assume strength is not an issue. I really hope you buy this one, so I can find out if they are any good:)

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You have to regulate them yourself, one barrel comes sighted in and you use screw adjustments to bring the other to the same point of aim. Sounds like a lot of time at the range, shooting and adjusting. How horrible. I can think of at least one way I would rather spend my time.
 
you're pushing the .458 Win Mag envelope. You can pretty much go as far as your shoulder will allow, ASSUMING...

you've got the correct modern firearm (Contender, Ruger, 1895 Marlin, etc.)

those loads in the wrong gun will pretty much guarantee shrapnel wounds

Okay, now we're not only discussing .458 Win Mag, but also .450 Marlin which is another belted magnum. If you want to go that hot, forget .45-70 and get a Marlin in .450 Marlin and you'll be much safer.

FWIW, I shot that H&R HandiRifle in .45-70 last Saturday and it kicked hard enough for me with Remington's factory 300grain JHPs which were rated "for use in all rifles", but that's just me.
 
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