orionengnr
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An exceptionally well reasoned and well stated post for a 4-time poster.
An exceptionally well reasoned and well stated post for a 4-time poster.
Here in California, we have 3 forms of carry. 1) CCW, which is virtually impossible to get in most counties. 2) Unloaded Open Carry (UOC), which is legal without a permit, and LUCC- locked, unloaded, concealed carry, which is an unloaded gun in a locked container. Loaded OC is legal under very limited circumstances.I'm a born raise Florida native. I've got a concealed carry license and I'm excited about the prospects of having the lawful and rightful act of open carry restored to Florida residents. Granted it's only for those who have a concealed carry license but hey one step at a time. It's not exactly hard to get a license or ridiculously expensive, just have to have a clean record and such.
My only concern is if we get open carry, then what? I want to open carry but I don't want to....come off as a Mall Ninja. I wouldn't really open carry anything amazing or a Barbecue gun. Maybe my Taurus PT 99, I conceal carry it in a IWB holster but it's not always the most comfortable form of carry. I also conceal carry in a IWB a Ruger P345.
I think if we get it should go to some of those open carry get togethers that are going on in Central Florida, where I live. I'm a known identity at my local diner, bookstore, and gym. Everyone knows me a studious hardworking guy, honest and even-tempered at these places. So I figure if it ever goes through I can just put my S&W Model 15-3 unloaded in a hip holster, unloaded because hey I got ease into getting comfortable with it but I'll still conceal carry my usual pocket Rossi .357 snub nose and Ruger SP101 3" .357 and yes my pockets are that big.
I guess my real concern is, what if I want to carry something a little more outlandish, like my Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum with a 7.5" barrel, is that a faux paux in the open carry world. I'd admittedly wouldn't load anything other than .44 special or maybe Corbon's 165 grain .44 magnum at 1300 fps.
Also I was thinking if we got open carry, maybe carrying what I call "California Style," where it's unloaded with the slide back, granted I'd still be conceal carrying a snub nose .357 magnum in the opposite pocket.
If there are any open carriers out there with big bore revolvers could you please share? Also if people think I'm getting too far into that "SIX GUN COWBOY" thing let me know too, it bothers me but I don't want to do any harm to the movement being a law school grad(hopefully passing the MBE in February), Certified Family Mediator, Small Business Owner(employer) that carries a big bore revolver.
I have said many times, if you carry openly, the thug will just creep up behind you and knock you in the head to take your gun. Or he'll shoot you first.I am leery of open carry. Along with all the arguments about scaring people, I would like to see discussion of the risks. If you open carry, everyone including the dirt-bags on the street know it.
Personally, I don’t want the bad guys to guess, because the only way they’ll find out for sure it to put a knife to my throat or a gun in my ribs. Either way, drawing from concealment at that point is a pretty uncomfortable gamble.
Have you ever noticed how the police assume every bad guy they arrest is carrying a concealed weapon? They make sure they have the drop on the guy before they start getting physical. The bad guys are no different! Concealed carry is no big secret and the bad guys take the same precautions with their victims.
I still don’t understand the idea that we, as concealed carriers, sometimes have; the bad guy is going to lollygag around and give you time to draw from concealment.
This is an easy one to answer. First of all, note that guns are used in self defense (as defined by law) in cases other than just muggings. Many ccw folks feel that they will have the time to draw from concealment and protect themselves from bad guys because it happens with some regularity. It isn't that the bad guys are going to necessarily give CCWers the time to draw and shoot, but that they fail to stop the CCWer from drawing and shooting. Guns are drawn from concealment and used for defense sometimes while the bag guy watches or while being distracted. In some cases, guns are drawn from concealment and used for self defense whilst the bad guy is physically attacking the good guy.
in states where open carry is lawful, experience has shown that your fears are unfounded
hardluk1, golden,
Why do you think Florida would be different than the 42 states that allow open carry now? The things you describe aren't happening in those states, why would they all of a sudden start happening in Florida?
Virginia, where I used to live, is a true open carry state.I'm sorry, but what 42 states allow OC currently? I'm not talking about while hunting, fishing or in the woods only. I mean states that allow the sort of "everywhere" open carry people are advocating here.
Sorry young man but I don't think 21 year olds are mature enough to carry.
Sorry young man but I don't think 21 year olds are mature enough to carry.
I was 21 once and I'm glad I wasn't allowed back then. When you are 35 , you will start to understand.
I have a 21 year old son who has been shooting since he was 4. I still wouldn't trust him to carry and I would put his safety and knowledge of guns against you or anybody else his age. Kids do some strange things and sometimes don't think right.
I guess you heard about the shooting incident at FSU. That's an example of what scares me.
The map is interesting, but the number of states without any restrictions on OC is much smaller than one would be led to believe by the statement that it's legal in 42 states. It might be allowed, but the majority seem to require permits, rural carry or have the caveat that local laws might prohibit it.
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As a cop I am 100% in favor of open carry. The law abiding citizen should not be restricted in exsercising their rights because you feel uncomrtable or because of the actions of a criminal.
“This is an educational setting where we hope people have rational, open discourse,” Stump said. “We oppose legislation that would put guns in that situation.”
More guns in the mix just create more of a problem for public safety,” he said. “This is no time to bring the Wild West to Florida.”
Malte encourages everyone to reach out to legislators, no matter his or her stance on the issue.
“The more outrage there is, the more the gun lobby starts to retreat,” he said. “Without a lot of protest, there is a chance the gun lobby could shove it through.”
Here's the biggest benefit of "open carry"... if you accidentally break concealment, you are not breaking the law. You would then be simply..."open carrying".
Here's the biggest benefit of "open carry"... if you accidentally break concealment, you are not breaking the law. You would then be simply..."open carrying".
I would not open carry. However, I am in favor of "open carry" laws.
For this reason I agree with the open carry bill.
Rick, I am pretty sure Florida does not have a brandishing rule for accidental exposure of your gun eg. the wind blows back your cover garment.
FS 790.10: Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms. If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree,