What is That

[Billy Jack]

My brother-in-law was given a pistol by his friend. His friend got it from the wife of a friend who just passed away.

I know what it looks like, but not familiar with them. It seems to be missing a part or two.

Any one know anything much about these?
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachme...c=1&d=14564161815&stc=1&d=1456416181641618181

 

[Billy Jack]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=218929&stc=1&d=1456416380

 

[trentcwwilson]

Appears to be an old German luger. Only reason I know that is because a friend has a "nazi" model with the swastika proof marks. Yours could be a clone, however. Have any pics of the markings?

 

[dh1633pm]

Its a Luger or Luger inspired. Need some more photos to tell for sure what you have.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Is it even a "real" gun?

Probably is but back in the day, I had a Luger "non-gun" that had every single actual part though not to the firing firearm standard.

Show us a picture from directly on top if there is any writing stamped to the components there.

Is it rifled?

Todd.

 

[Billy Jack]

Very observant folks.
We do know it is not a real firearm. The only markings on it are "Made in Japan"....dead giveaway.

There is no rifling in it and there is a built-in obstruction in the barrel.

It appears to a knowledgeable friend of mine to be a very well made TOY.
But we are all just really curious about it, as it is almost a working copy.

Anyone ever seen such a detailed almost operable toy?

 

[cslinger]

At a glance it appears to be one of the .22 long rifle Luger replicas.

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

If the magazine ejects and looks like a real magazine, what you have is a PFC gun. They are kind of halfway between glorified cap guns and blank firing pistols. The more accurate ones will cycle and eject their specialized cartridges like a regular Luger would have.

 

[Billy Jack]

The magazine is very real. I was able to insert several regular 9mm rounds into it. However, I did not see anything that looked like it would fire a cap or anything else.
However, it might actually eject the rounds form the mag.

What does PFC stand for?

 

[ClickClickD'oh]

PFC = Plug Fire Cartridge

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

Anyone ever seen such a detailed almost operable toy?

I had one and a 1911 and Nambu as well.

They were dead on replicas - think museum grade - to mimic the weight, operation and take-down of the real thing.

If you scour Popular Science/Mechanics, testosterone mags like S.O.F. or sporting mags - they ran ads in the back for many types of working parts replicas.

Todd.

 

[kBob]

I have mentioned in the past my P38 "replica model" of zinc that was a good enough copy that I had no problem taking apart and putting together a real one.

A friend had a PFC 1928A1 Thompson that while it did not come apart like an original did fire the cap loaded blacks quite well, semi or full auto from an open bolt. He picked it up at the World Scout Jambory in Japan (1972?) and some others. I scared a few people spitless with it.

He had a 1911A1 that would hand cycle and pop a cap loaded cartridge, but it had a solid ring on the bottom of the barrel rather than a link system. The magazine functioned in a real 1911A1 BTW but a 1911 mag was a teenie tiny bit over sized for the toy IIRC.

He also had a PPK that loaded a spring when you pulled the trigger DA that snapped the slide back and forth. I could not be easily disassembled as its guts bore no resemblance to the real thing.

Finally he had a SAA that seemed all there.

-kBob

 

[FL-NC]

"Non-gun", probably from collector's armory. Very realistic looking fake, stage/movie prop. etc.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Is it magnetic

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

"Non-gun", probably from collector's armory. Very realistic looking fake, stage/movie prop. etc.

These were also popular "holster fillers" for parades and the like way back when.

Todd.

 

[rcmodel]

They where more popular in Japan where they were made, and not for holster fillers.

They also sold well in other country's with Draconian gun laws which made owning a real gun impossible.

Exact replica non-firing models were the closest you could get to touching a Luger, P-38, S&W, Colt 1911, or anything else almost anywhere else in the world.


rc

 

[Jim Watson]

I remember the little ads for those in the backs of the True and Argosy magazines I got to read at the barber shop.

 

[Billy Jack]

Thanks

Thanks everyone. I'll pass this knowledge on to my BIL.

 

[AZAndy]

I had a replica Luger like that when I was a kid, but with a longer barrel. One of the local gun stores carried a wide range of replicas, including a PPK. Haven't seen any in a long time.

Edit to add:
here are some for sale.