What would you Change the US Assault rifle to

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If the grenade launcher in question is the M203, I'll pass on that. I didn't like using them in training, especially when we did room clearing. They are bulky, heavy and my smaller hands have a hard time operating them. They may be great for full sized M16s and infantry. But for me as an MP, I would rather have the lightest, smallest, shortest weapon I can get while still being in a rifle caliber.

But that's just me, and I haven't been to combat yet, just training. So my opinions will probably change a great deal.
 
How about a rifle based off the HK-416, but with the option to accept AK mags?

I read somewhere that the SCAR-H took both 7.62 Russian and 7.62 NATO. Is this true, and how would it work?
 
FN's F2000 would be nice - with the trend towards the shortest gun you can get, and assuming the gun's reliable enough for the job. 'Course, a lot of people hate bullpups... but they seem to work for the Brits. And the Aussies, if memory serves.

If it had to resemble the AR, the SCAR would appear to be a good choice.
If it's good enough for the SOCOM folk, it ought to be good enough for the rest of 'em. It appears to have a collapsible, folding stock - which is an improvement over the AR.
 
I take a Madada, though untried, over an XCR. Not impressed with the latter at all.

What the rifle should have, IMO.

Multiple Picatinny interfaces, like the current M16/M4

QD barrel and constant volume gas system allowing the use of several barrel lengths without changes to the basic weapons platform.

highly modular components, allowing changing of funrniture, and perts groups as required. A whole family of weapons al based on the same basic design and system, covernig PDW, carbine, rifle and DMR.

Note that the M16 family is 75% there, and we chouldn't throw out the good with the perceived bad.

We need an true intermediate round to fill all these roles, and the 6.8 and 6.5 grendel are not it. The 6.5 comes close but the cartridge itself is not optimized for military duty so much as it is as a target round.

One of the most useful features of the M16 family is that it is basically the 'lego' of guns, and can be assembled in a huge variety of permutations. This needs to be preserved.

If we want a more AK like system, I would opt for the FNC design for the boly/piston. The SCAR abandoned this in favor of a totally new gas system, but the original FNC has a simplified AK system that is in many ways superior to the original AK.
 
To save money and ease the change I would have to say the M4 platform with the 6.8 upper. Then for CQB I would have loved to have had an M4 chambered in .45 acp. Still able to swap furniture with the other M4's in the armory and hard to argue with 30 round magazines loaded up with a nice heavy bullet and carbine length barrel.
 
M41A Pulse rifle

95rds of 10x24mm explosive tip caseless and pump-action 30mm grenade launcher (4+1 capacity)

What's not to like! :D ;)
 
The AK-47...

Cheap to supply the troops with PLUS we save money on supplies by commandeering captured weapons/ammo/parts from our enemies.

The weapon has the accuracy and durability for urban combat plus, it fires a more powerful round than the m16.

Since our troops are already trained in the use of the AK-47, the transition to it would be quick.


I don't understand why we spend $2000 for an M-16 to be "upgraded" with a gas piston "like the AK" when for only $250 we could purchase select-fire AK-47s from any number of countries around the world. I swear the only reason our country doesn't adopt the AK is Cold War stigma.
 
I don't understand why we spend $2000 for an M-16 to be "upgraded" with a gas piston "like the AK" when for only $250 we could purchase select-fire AK-47s from any number of countries around the world.

Because that gives the government a clever rationale to raise taxes? What do I win? The cheap AK's are not very accurate. Of course one has to ask what distance do most confrontations occur.
 
I will vote also for the Robinson Arms XCR in the 6.8 round.

The service rifle needs the additional punch and the XCR is a very nice piece with room for many additions.
 
Strings,

I don't consider the M16 a DMR with the 5.56x45. Yes, you can make holes in paper at 600 yards, but there's little or no energy left.

While the 5.56x45 is a great close combat cartridge, I have been thinking in terms of a universal cartidge that could replace both the 5.56x45 and the 7.62x51. Looking at what is out there, the 6.8 SPC doesn't have the long range performance, and the 6.5 grendel case isn't really ideal for a military weapon, having too little body taper and too sharp a shoulder while ballistics are fairly good.

There's much talk about an imtermediate cartridge, so in thinking of one, I tried to come up with something between 5.56 and 7.62 - literally. But the case had to keep the weight down to not lose the advantage of weight vs the 7.62x51

I started with a 0.452 case head, the same one used for the 7.62x39 and 6.5 grendel. However, those two cases are short and the 6.5 grendel only has reasonable case capacity if blow out, resulting in the disadvantages already mention.

In any case, starting with the two current service cases, the 5.56 and 7.62 (0.22 and 0.30 caliber) something halfway in between is basically 6.5mm. Looking at weights, a bullet of about 106gn is again halfway in between. There is a large selection of 6.5 bullets in that approximate weight, from 100-110, including a number of Hague convention permissible FMJ bullets.

Again, noting the lack of body taper and sharp shoulder of the 6.5 Grendel, particularly compared to the sloping body of the M43 7.62x39, I sought a compromise. The M43 has a body taper of about 1 degree 20 minutes and a shoulder angle of 16 degrees. The 5.56 and 7.62x51 have body tapers of about one third of a dregree and shoulders of around 20 degrees. I gave my cartridge a 1 degree body taper, and a 20 degree shoulder.

Finally, I elected to not worry about fitting in the M16 magazine. The new round could fit in the M16 magazine with som small loss of capacity, but it would preclude the use of longer, high BC bullets by DMR and MGs if desired.

I based the final case on the Czech 7.62x45, resulting in the 6.5x45mm Comparing it to the 6.5 grendel, it gains about 200 fps with every bullet, and is about 200 fps slower than the 6.5x55 Swede. Bullets in this weight range tend to have BC of aroound 0.400+ in 6.5, exceeding the best 223 and 308 bullets in their respective military weight ranges. Even the much vaunted 0.224 77gn SMK only has a BC of 0.362, while the 0.308 175gn SMK used in the M118LR has a BC of 0.505. By comparison, the 0.264 107gn SK has a BC of 0.421, and the 142gn has a bc of 0.559.

Finally, if one wishes to fit the round in the existing M16, it is possible to modify the case so that it is slightly shorter (6.5x42mm) with the body taper and shoulder of the 6.8 SPC and still beat the 6.5 Grendel by 150 fps, but one loses the ability to shoot the heaviest rounds.
 
The neat thing about the XRC is that you don't need to have one cartridge for all purposes. Not only can the weapon configuration be changed, but so can the caliber. So you don't need to worry about a wimpy CQC cartridge, or a round that has range but no power. You can use the 6.8SPC for the carbine, the .308 for SDM, and other calibers for other jobs if you want. Determine caliber and weapon config based off the job needed, and configure the XRC for that job. Different jobs will have different configurations.
 
GunTech,

I got to handle a Masada at a gun show in Vegas last summer when I was working out there. I really wasn't all that impressed with it. There was nothing revolutionary about it other that the extensive use of polymers and little trap doors all over the rifle for little doo-dads here and there. The method of securing the barrel to the receiver was interesting, but I have a hunch that after years of service in the hands of infantry men who take it apart constantly, it's going to loosen up quite a bit sacrificing accuracy. The trigger group, the bolt carrier and bolt,.....just a direct copy of M16 with the exception of charging handle location and gas piston system.

Also, MagPul has been in the accessory business for years with no firearms development of their own other than industry copies. Not to bash, just not impressed.
 
I would definitely vote for either the FN SCAR or Magpul Masada, if a change had to be made. Otherwise, I say week the AR15 platform and just have different upper receiver options (6.5 Grendel, 50 Beowulf, etc.).
 
Thanks Haupmann

I looked at the Masada as well. The fact they haven't been in the gun business doesn't seem to mean much. Glock knew nothing about handguns before designing the G-17. Good engineering is what is required. Often, having deep roots in the gun business is a disadvantage, as one tends to do what everyone else does - there is little 'outside-the-box' thinking. I have been very impressed with Magpuls other products, and in this case, I think they have wisely assembled a bunch of proven designs, much the same approach taken by others. But as you say, time will tell.

taurusowner, from the military perspective, many calibers is not a solution, it's a problem. Any time you can reduce the number of rounds you have to supply, or keep in the inventory, it's a win. If you only have to supply and store one cartridge it makes things infinitely simpler - you never have to worry about stuff like sending the wrong ammo to the troops in the field. In the Civil war, the Federal forces has something like 54 kinds of ammunition in use.
 
For those who are interested, here is a comparison of of all the rounds I discussed above:

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Point taken GunTech. But we're not talking about 54 different rounds. The military already uses more than a few different calibers for different weapons. Most of the calibers the XRC would use are already there. Just ditch the 5.56 for the 6.8SPC.
 
Great pic GunTech. Have you by any chance drawn up the 7x46mm? If so, can you post a pic of it? Thanks. :)
 
Anything bigger than .223 with a piston. Range doesn't matter past 400 yards if you have a designated marksman or two with a 7.62x51 weapon. I'm a 7.62x39 fan, but the 6.8 looks good to me as well.
 
Prince Yamato and I think a like. My choice: AK 100+ series in 7.62x39 or similar caliber.
 
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