ShadowsEye
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As someone who recently made an impulse purchase that I sold after 18 rounds down the pipe, I was able to sell the gun used and my loss didn't = $55.
What would you pay to test fire a gun before buying?
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MrDig
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I have a LINB 44 Tracker I would like to sell with 1 box of AE 44 mag through it. I will be lucky if I can sell it at a loss of just 55.00.
I would like to use the funds for a 44 Super redhawk or a Raging Bull in 44 mag but like I said I might lose $100 on the deal if I'm lucky. I will lose much more if I just trade it out right so that is out of the question.
I guess our markets are different in that way. People here have short arms and deep pockets when it comes to used guns.
I would like to use the funds for a 44 Super redhawk or a Raging Bull in 44 mag but like I said I might lose $100 on the deal if I'm lucky. I will lose much more if I just trade it out right so that is out of the question.
I guess our markets are different in that way. People here have short arms and deep pockets when it comes to used guns.
smalls
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Whenever I've sold a vehicle the only way anyone gets a test drive is if they have cash in hand. I don't see the problem doing the same with guns. You were plannin' on buying it anyway, right?
ErikO
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$425 a year to the range we shoot at to get free access to their rentals and unlimited range time.
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smalls
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Rentals are a bit different than a used gun, that you want to fire before buying to assure it works, thoiugh.
bushmaster1313
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Jaqua's in Ohio used to have the policy, and they might still have it, of letting the purchaser of a used gun shoot it before deciding to keep it.
I think they said something like: "Hey, if it's a used gun, of course you should be able to shoot it before deciding whether to keep it."
I think they said something like: "Hey, if it's a used gun, of course you should be able to shoot it before deciding whether to keep it."
What ever the cost to shoot it before buying, you soon discover that the gun is the cheap part of shooting, lol. I think shooting before buying is cheap insurance to find a gun that fits your hand. I belong to a club where you can advertise to shoot with someone who has a gun that interests you. The club membership costs only $100/yr for my family. I get inexpensive fees for IDPA and USPSA events.
NoVA Shooter
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I'm assuming you do mean a rental, and not the actual firearm you are going to buy. Cuz if you didn't buy it, the dealer would have to sell it as used.
No, I meant the actual firearm. I excluded NIB guns from the equation (see original post) as we all know outcome of shooting a new gun.
I think gun rental can come close to the advantages of test firing the actual gun (especially if the LGS has a wide selection), but I still believe nothing can replace the benefit of a real test fire.
bushmaster1313
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What's a "new gun"?
I try not to buy a car off the lot because it has been 'test driving' in unimaginable ways and I'd rather break in a car carefully. Same with a gun. If I'm buying 'new' then I don't want it shot by others (except at the factory of course) first.
So I wouldn't pay to test-shoot a new gun, because I'd never buy it even if I liked it. I'll take a fresh one please. But I would spend $10 and range and ammo fees to test shoot an equivalent or similar model that has been well worn to get the feel of such a gun before I buy the NIB one.
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So I wouldn't pay to test-shoot a new gun, because I'd never buy it even if I liked it. I'll take a fresh one please. But I would spend $10 and range and ammo fees to test shoot an equivalent or similar model that has been well worn to get the feel of such a gun before I buy the NIB one.
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tnxdshooter
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There are no nib guns technically. Most mnaufacturers that are reputable today fire the gun at least once. I have heard of some actually shooting 25-50 rounds through one.
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Creature
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Really? Are you sure about that? How many serious accidents with injuries have there been while test driving a new (and unfamiliar) vehicle? Probably far more than accidents involving a range rental gun.
I have purchased more than a few new vehicles in my life time. I have YET to pay for a test drive.
As for a felon testing a range gun being illegal, a simple waiver such as signature on a "I am not a felon" form should suffice.
kcshooter
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$50, applied to purchase if you buy it.
ErikO
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This is true. It can show how a properly maintained new gun will function in a few months/years depending on how much shooting you do.
Testing a used gun is good. That's why I would only consider buing privately after having a chance to take it to a range or else from a gunsmith whose skill and knowledge I trust.
ErikO
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On my test drive, we were almost taken out by two different pickups that were not paying attention. I know how well my car will perform in a pressure situation; I think that the salesman had to change his drawers when we got back to the dealership.
Last week I paid a total of $47 to rent a gun. :banghead: Next time I'll ask the price before hand. It was $20 an hour for lane rental. $10 to rent the gun and $15 for their box of ammo. I took my own but was told to put it back in my car. I was done in 20 minutes and was shocked to hear $47. I won't be doing that again.
dogtown tom
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Really? You don't understand the context of the comparison?
Clearly, I was not referring to accidents, but suicides. Reread my post.
As have I. And I'm not stupid enough to believe that the cost of a test drive is not factored into the cost of a new car.....its overhead that the dealer passes on to the purchaser. While the dealer doesn't say "give me $5 for your "test drive"....you're paying for it. The cars used for a "test drives" eventually will be NOT SOLD AT THE SAME PRICE AS NEW.......it's kind of difficult to explain to a buyer that with 1,800 miles the car is still new. Often these are called program cars and used as loaners, driven by dealership employees and sold at a discount over new cars with low mileage.
Test driving a car "for free" is a laughable comparison to "test firing" a new firearm. Do you get to "test" that tube of toothpaste before you buy? How about testing the underwear at WalMart before you buy?
Really? That's funny, wrong, but funny.
NoVA Shooter
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Really? Not sure what you are getting at but I meant new from the manufacturer, not new to you or new to the store.
True, but a gun that comes from a manufacturer is still classified as 'new' even if it has had a few rounds put through it. A 'new' car has been driven. 'New' clothes have been tried on (what do you tink happens to all those clothes people try on in the dressing room but don't buy). A 'new' computer has been booted up.
There are many products we buy 'new' that have been 'used' before we take possession of it. We all make allowances for this and we all accept a certain amount of 'use' before we don't think of an item as being 'new'.
For the purposes of my question, I am only concerned with test firing a used gun (a gun that could not be sold/classified as being 'new').
Creature
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I am willing to bet that range rental suicide rates are right up there with rental car suicides. Support your claim with factual data instead of snark and maybe then I will begin to consider your argument.
Why so? Do you complete a full NICS background check for range rentals as is done for gun purchases? Simply holding a weapon does not make you the owner of it. This is why people can go to ranges and rent guns to shoot on the range without a background check using just a photo ID.
dogtown tom
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I could care less if you feel like "considering" my argument....you are having difficulty with what the discussion really is.
I NEVER made any claim about "rental car suicides", so do your own research on that.
A ten second Google search shows dozens of gun range suicides over the last ten years.....but oddly.....not a single suicide during a test drive of a new car. Whoddathunkit?
If you want to disprove my comparison of gun range suicides vs suicides during a test drive........knock yourself out. I'll wait.
Believe it or not, but its a Federal crime for a convicted felon to even hold a gun in a gun store. The transfer of a firearm via 4473 and the subsequent NICS background check is an entirely different matter and may only be done pursuant to a firerm purchase........meaning the range owner CANNOT do a NICS check on anyone renting a gun. This does not change the fact that it is illegal for a felon to rent a gun. While "possession' was not transferred to him....he most definitely is "in possession" of a firearm.
But go ahead and loan or rent guns to anyone you want.
NoVA Shooter
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So how do stores/ranges rent guns? I've been to many stores/ranges where guns are rented. All I've had to do is fill out a form (such as what Creature described above) and show a picture ID.
dogtown tom
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Exactly like that........but if the "renter" is a felon a crime is being committed.
Semantics if you ask me.
If I buy a Ferrari or a Lambo, each car has been out on nearby roads with a test driver ensuring that all is in order before it is shipped and sold. Is that car 'New'? (it doesn't come in a box, so NIB is moot). You betcha.
With firearms, anything coming new from the factory, having been properly tested using the standard factory protocols (including firing the thing one or many times) is considered new or NIB.
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If I buy a Ferrari or a Lambo, each car has been out on nearby roads with a test driver ensuring that all is in order before it is shipped and sold. Is that car 'New'? (it doesn't come in a box, so NIB is moot). You betcha.
With firearms, anything coming new from the factory, having been properly tested using the standard factory protocols (including firing the thing one or many times) is considered new or NIB.
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