What's the difference in this Winchester Ranger ammo?

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So a guy on a local forum is selling off some Winchester ammo he has. It's supposedly the Winchester 147 grain Ranger Talon ammo. The product code is RA9SXT and it says 147 grain sxt on it. So I thought this was the Talon round, yet when I see a lot of ammo for sale other places that is the talon round it has a product code of RA9T and says Ranger-T ammo instead of SXT. What's the difference? Are they both the talon rounds or is one different? Any differences other than the boxes?
 
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The only difference I am aware of is the black color on the bullet is now copper colored. You can always buy a marker & fix it...
 
Pictures from what I can tell of both are the copper colored bullet. The stuff he has labeled RA9SXT isn't the original Black Talon stuff. It's in a Winchester Ranger box labeled for law enforcement. Looks like the other RA9TA stuff only has a different product code and says SXT instead of T.
 
I don't think there is any such animal as Ranger Black Talon. It is either Black Talon or later after they changed the name ( and modified the bullet slightly ) it was Ranger. Ranger and Black Talon and never the twain shall meet.
 
SXT= Civilian ammo. Ranger=LE ammo. I ran a couple of boxes of 9mm 147 gr. SXT through my 10 year old P226 and found it to be highly accurate and low recoil compared to the usual 124 gr. stuff everone uses these days. I realize the trend is to 124 gr. 9mm but my gun really likes this stuff, going by the accuracy.
 
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Agree with above statement, as I, too, use the Ranger 147gr sxt JHPs in my Sig P229R CT 9mm and got same great results, accurate (very) and far less recoil making quick, accurate follow-up shots seamless..

Great ammo, along with it's very clean


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I don't think there is any such animal as Ranger Black Talon. It is either Black Talon or later after they changed the name ( and modified the bullet slightly ) it was Ranger. Ranger and Black Talon and never the twain shall meet.

With regard to names, I believe that's correct. They're similar designs that were originally intended for law enforcement. The Ranger line is based on the Black Talon, and improves upon its performance as a hollow-point. Obviously the black Lubalox coating is gone and the name was changed in order to avoid the unfair demonization of the Black Talon in the media as, rather ironically, a Teflon-coated, armor-piercing "cop-killer" bullet. :rolleyes: The design has been continually improved over the years, and the Ranger T-series is the most modern version, more or less equivalent (and certainly as well tested, if not more) to other contemporary advanced hollow-points (the SXT version is older).

SXT= Civilian ammo. Ranger=LE ammo.

They apply and change things like designations so randomly that I can't be 100% sure, but it's my understanding that the only ammunition from this product line that is currently available to civilians, by Winchester's request, is PDX1, which is the same as Ranger Bonded (currently a bonded version of the T-series bullet, although this wasn't always the case). Unfortunately PDX1 is about twice as expensive as Ranger Bonded.

I ran a couple of boxes of 9mm 147 gr. SXT through my 10 year old P226 and found it to be highly accurate and low recoil compared to the usual 124 gr. stuff everone uses these days. I realize the trend is to 124 gr. 9mm but my gun really likes this stuff, going by the accuracy.

Historically, the performance of 147 grain hollow-points has been underwhelming, but in the T-series it seems to perform just about as well as the lighter, hotter 124 grain +P and 127 grain +P+ loads. Its expansion is usually just a little bit less, its penetration is usually greater, and when shooting through barriers sometimes it gets both greater expansion and penetration.

For what it's worth, the FBI currently uses the 147 grain Ranger Bonded load as their 9mm duty ammo. My understanding is that the current Ranger T-series and Ranger Bonded are based on bullets that were specifically designed for the FBI. Previously, there was a slightly older T-series bullet and a bonded bullet that had a different basic design, but now everything has been consolidated to the FBI version of the bonded design and its non-bonded T-series equivalent. A majority of the loads in the Ranger line pass a majority (and often all) of the FBI's stringent tests, although this largely involves barrier penetration, which seems to be controversial on this forum.

By the way, while we're on the subject, the notorious "talons" of these bullets do vary between the different design iterations. The Black Talon has larger talons than the T-series, but the T-series has sharper ones. The talons of Ranger Bonded are filled in with lead and are usually not sharp, although occasionally they are. Again, for what it's worth.
 
The black box/red logo SXT is what i was referencing. It said "personal defense" on the box. This is the stuff intended for civilian use. Maybe this stuff is discontinued and replaced by the PDX1 ?
 
"Supreme SXT" was designed for civilian sales after Black Talon was demonized by the media. It uses a different bullet without the pointy "talons" (8 serrations instead of 6 for Black Talon/Ranger SXT/Ranger T) but with the same "reverse taper" jacket design.
 
The black box/red logo SXT is what i was referencing. It said "personal defense" on the box. This is the stuff intended for civilian use.

Oh right, although both the civilian and LE bullets had "SXT" in their names, they were different designs, as Shawn points out.

Maybe this stuff is discontinued and replaced by the PDX1 ?

Based on their catalog, I think that everything called SXT on the LE side has been replaced by the Ranger T-series and Ranger Bonded, and everything on the civilian side is now called Supreme or Supreme Elite (including PDX1, which is the same design as Ranger Bonded). I'm pretty sure that the civilian SXT JHP design has been discontinued from current production, although Winchester does offer several other JHP designs.
 
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