The company that makes the Diablo also makes an 11 inch barrel model called the Desperado, so clearly those responding are clinging to wood furniture and traditional looks for the sake of wood and traditional looks.I’m with the Howdah crowd. If I wanted a short barreled shotgun the Howdahs make more sense. Longer barrels, more velocity and efficiency. And they’re a lot nicer to look at.
They were a lot cheaper at Cabela's before the Bass Pro buyout.I'd like to try shooting one but have no interest in buying one, especially at $500.
I see they finally have a grip set made out of wood, for only $239.
I'd rather have a Baker Cavalry Shotgun but also don't want to pay $1200 for one.
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Care to go into detail beyond cuz plastic grips?"Is it worth the money?"
Nope.
Care to go into detail beyond cuz plastic grips?
Well, in that case and since you asked. No. Not for me it isn’t.The company that makes the Diablo also makes an 11 inch barrel model called the Desperado, so clearly those responding are clinging to wood furniture and traditional looks for the sake of wood and traditional looks.
Nothing wrong with that, I appreciate the input, but I didn't make this topic to hear how people prefer traditional black powder muzzleloaders over modern ones. The focus was on the AGC Diablo on its own, is it a product worth the money?
I pre-ordered one prior to production with a coupon, they were a lot cheaper 3 years ago, $366 delivered to my door. It’s a fun gun that can be loaded from mild to wild with everything from #9 shot to 550gr .715” lead pumpkin balls or 12ga slugs in a sabot & charges up to as much as your willing to go. Hell, you could fill it with rock salt or finish nails if you wanted to. There’s a guy on YouTube that’s chronographed loads up to 120gr fff- a bit much for me. Recoil with 60gr of Pyrodex P or 777 is very comfortable, more of a push. They are very well made & nicely blued, yes they have plastic furniture but it’s given me no problems. I’ve hit clays out of the air with it but not with any consistency-very challenging & I’m sure a shot cup would help patterns & saw a wild turkey taken with one.The pumpkin balls pack a hell of a wallop. Can’t say if they’re worth the going price but I was curious & wasn’t disappointed.
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If goofy Gabby Giffords and her hubby Mark Kelly's anti-gun bunch get their way muzzloaders and BP will soon be regulated as explosive bomb making material and assault weapons.It's better than the Diablo thing. People that can't own weapons here in MS are screwed all the way around because MS doesn't recognize muzzleloaders as non weapons. If it fires a projectile under combustion it's a real weapon.
If I were interested in a shotgun, I would buy a shotgun.You don't seem to be happy with the details but there are plenty.
It's not a traditional historic firearm so it's market (and value) is limited.
It's not an improvement on a much lower cost modern shotgun.
I would disagree as the design allows for easier and better cleaning of the bore and currently with percussion caps being unavailable, but 209 primers being available means that I can shoot the Diablo more than the Howdah, which would end up becoming a nice looking paperweight.It's not an improvement on traditional BP pistols or revolvers.
Again with the focus on plastic.It's way over priced for something with cheap plastic grips.
Same could be said about other single shot or double barrel black powder pistols and those too end up just being range toys.It's impractical for anything other than a novelty at the range.
How so?A Pedersoli howdah isn't especially practical either, but much more so than the Diablo and the Howdah is more bang for the buck.
Hunting isn't the focus or intended use for the Diablo and not what I would be buying it for. You do realize some people do buy black powder firearms simply for fun, right?There are plenty of BP firearms that can be a fun novelty at the range and also suitable for hunting deer, hogs, rabbits, etc. The Diablo isn't one of them.
‘Zactly… it looks like a quality item and I haven’t heard otherwise. It’s kinda like one poster noted about a pair of Uberti manufactured Derringers. He said the Pedersoli Derringers are very good quality but if you get the Uberti in your hands you’ll throw rocks at the Pedersoli.Don't worry about what we say. Buy one and shoot it alongside your inline rifles and post your results here but don't be surprised if you don't get many comments on it. Most of us here are only interested in traditional guns. I doubt many of us own Glocks either.
If I were interested in a shotgun, I would buy a shotgun.
I would disagree as the design allows for easier and better cleaning of the bore and currently with percussion caps being unavailable, but 209 primers being available means that I can shoot the Diablo more than the Howdah, which would end up becoming a nice looking paperweight.
Again with the focus on plastic.
I agree, the price is steep, but not compared to current Howdah prices and the various barrel length options.
Same could be said about other single shot or double barrel black powder pistols and those too end up just being range toys.
How so?
Hunting isn't the focus or intended use for the Diablo and not what I would be buying it for. You do realize some people do buy black powder firearms simply for fun, right?
I don't automatically think that, I see some positive aspects to the design, but I wanted to ask what others have experienced or heard about them before giving them more serious consideration. Instead most just want to respond and complain about plastic furniture and non traditional designs.Just order the thing already, it sounds likely you will think it's better than Wonder Bread when you get your hands on it.
...it's what their knowledge and gut instinct tell them.
I learned a valuable lesson with this topic and that is don't ask about black powder handguns that aren't replicas of historical firearms or antiques.
Mods, you can lock this topic. I'm done.
.........or that you just didn't get the answer you wanted. It's your money, spend it like you want.