Which AR-15? Brand?

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David4516 said:
If you want one rifle to do everything you're going to have a tough time.

With a $2,000 budget you can buy two rifles, a lightweight carbine for room clearing and a second rifle with longer heavier barrel for hunting or long range target shooting.

I'm not sure why it's so important that it be "out of the box ready to go"? Assembling and AR15 is pretty easy, I mean if I can do it, anybody can. And then you get the exact features you want.

The ready to go out of the box rifles I've tired are the Windham Weaponry (my rifle) and the S&W M&P sport (friends rifle), both have been pretty solid so I could recommend them.

All my other AR experience has been with frankenguns (rifles cobbled together with parts from different companies), and they work just fine too
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A Tavor and a Tikka 3 Lite in 30.06?
 
This election may determine if you will choose to become a felon by owning an "ASSAULT WEAPON". If you think I am kidding, ask the poor suckers currently living in California or Massachusetts. So you need to decide how you personally will handle the situation if your $2000 firearm is registered, turned in on some sort of phony buyback program, or hidden under the flooring in your bedroom.
For those reasons I would look to a quality lower cost gun and a lot of ammo.
These guys have some really nice offerings in all price ranges.

my 2¢
 
stinger 327 said:
All of the above. Price range up to $2,000.
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This is what I hate about THR. Somebody comes looking for a suggestion, willing to spend enough to get a top tier gun, and he gets 4 pages of bottom feeder advice.

A moderator once asked me that surely I wasn't insinuating THR members are a bunch of cheapskates, but that behavior seems to be the norm around here.
 
A Tavor and a Tikka 3 Lite in 30.06?
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I thought we were talking about ARs? I mean that is the thread title...

I mean you can buy a good AR carbine for like $600, that would leave you with $1,400 left over for a second AR setup for target shooting, which should be enough as long as you don't go too crazy on optics (you can get a pretty good scope for $300 or $400 or so).
 
This is what I hate about THR. Somebody comes looking for a suggestion, willing to spend enough to get a top tier gun, and he gets 4 pages of bottom feeder advice.
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Money doesn't always equal quality......and quality doesn't always equal money
 
The Tavor and Tikka combo sounds better to me if you want to do it all. Not that I would insist on either Tavor or Tikka, as any decent carbine/bolt gun combo should serve your purposes.
 
A Tavor and a Tikka 3 Lite in 30.06?
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I'm not saying spending money on another 223 semi-auto platform is a waste of money, but there certainly is a premium paid for what you get in terms of $$$ for accuracy/longevity/accessories. The best bang for the buck, no matter how many of them you have, isn't as good.

There certainly isn't anything wrong with a semi-auto/bolt gun combo. Especially when talking about a more powerful cartridge, being able to power through environment conditions can be as important as pure, mechanical accuracy. However, 30-06 is more of a hunting cartridge than a target cartridge, based on it's recoil and available commercial loadings. Something like a 243 would be much more pleasurable to shoot at the range, and certainly does a number on a paper target or varmints.
 
This is what I hate about THR. Somebody comes looking for a suggestion, willing to spend enough to get a top tier gun, and he gets 4 pages of bottom feeder advice.

A moderator once asked me that surely I wasn't insinuating THR members are a bunch of cheapskates, but that behavior seems to be the norm around here.
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The tier system is another bit of AR-nonsense meant to put every piece of equipment in a box labeled "good", "bad", "professional", "consumer", etc. The #1 reason people don't talk about it as much is because so many AR companies have caught up in terms of specs, that it isn't as exclusive as it used to be.
 
The tier system is another bit of AR-nonsense meant to put every piece of equipment in a box labeled "good", "bad", "professional", "consumer", etc. The #1 reason people don't talk about it as much is because so many AR companies have caught up in terms of specs, that it isn't as exclusive as it used to be.
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How would you react if you just paid double for the same exact thing that some other dude on the internet bought for half? You go online and try to trash talk anybody who doesn't spend $2k on a AR, I assume.
This situation happens a lot to Ferrari/lamborghini owners getting spanked by a Nissan GTR.
 
readyeddy said:
The Tavor and Tikka combo sounds better to me if you want to do it all. Not that I would insist on either Tavor or Tikka, as any decent carbine/bolt gun combo should serve your purposes.
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Tikka 3 / Sato now makes a tactical .308 bolt action rifle with 10 round magazine.
 
I would recommend BCM, Spikes, or Colt for a basic mid-range mil-spec rifle. Another newer company that is getting some great feedback is Sons Of Liberty Gun Works. The owner has a thread going at another forum and really seems to know his stuff as well as have extremely tight quality control. MrGunsandGear did a youtube review that was very positive as well. I am looking at one of their uppers for $425 which is a good price for the specs.
 
Everready73 said:
I would recommend BCM, Spikes, or Colt for a basic mid-range mil-spec rifle. Another newer company that is getting some great feedback is Sons Of Liberty Gun Works. The owner has a thread going at another forum and really seems to know his stuff as well as have extremely tight quality control. MrGunsandGear did a youtube review that was very positive as well. I am looking at one of their uppers for $425 which is a good price for the specs.
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Which Colt AR-15 model?
 
stinger 327 said:
Which Colt AR-15 model?
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That's really up to you. It's important for you to get it straight in your head the features you want. What barrel length do you want? What barrel profile? I was very tempted to get the Colt 6720, a lightweight barrel profile of the LE6920. Instead I went with a Daniel Defense 16" pencil barrel upper that added CHF and midlength gas. Later I got a near twin BCM upper, except that it wasn't hammer forged. It's rumored Colt will add a 16" midlength soon.

Colt is an excellent choice. So are DD, BCM, Spikes and many others.
 
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Quentin said:
That's really up to you. It's important for you to get it straight in your head the features you want. What barrel length do you want? What barrel profile? I was very tempted to get the Colt 6720, a lightweight barrel profile of the LE6920. Instead I went with a Daniel Defense 16" pencil barrel upper that added CHF and midlength gas. Later I got a near twin BCM upper, except that it wasn't hammer forged. It's rumored Colt will add a 16" midlength soon.

Colt is an excellent choice. So are DD, BCM, Spikes and many others.
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Is the Colt the chrome lined barrel?
 
Pencil barrel makes alot of sense to me. The "heavy" barrels are often only heavy on the muzzle end, if you look under the hand guard they're still thin there.

The thinner barrel doesn't have too many drawbacks, the biggest downside is that it heats up faster. But on the other hand, it should also cool off faster, so maybe it's not really a problem.

If you are going to shoot with iron sights you'll want to avoid a "carbine" gas system. A mid-length or a rifle length system will give you better sight radius. I've often thought that a "dissaptor" style AR with a pencil barrel would be the way to go if you want to use irons as your main sight. I don't know if anybody makes such a beast though...
 
David4516 said:
Pencil barrel makes alot of sense to me. The "heavy" barrels are often only heavy on the muzzle end, if you look under the hand guard they're still thin there.

The thinner barrel doesn't have too many drawbacks, the biggest downside is that it heats up faster. But on the other hand, it should also cool off faster, so maybe it's not really a problem.

If you are going to shoot with iron sights you'll want to avoid a "carbine" gas system. A mid-length or a rifle length system will give you better sight radius. I've often thought that a "dissaptor" style AR with a pencil barrel would be the way to go if you want to use irons as your main sight. I don't know if anybody makes such a beast though...
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Not if it is like those old Mini-14 barrels. After 5 shots there is no consistency because the barrel heats up. The Sig has a thick barrel all the way through.
 
stinger 327 said:
Which Colt AR-15 model?
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The 6920 is a popular choice as well as the 6720. They both are milspec and chrome lined barrels etc. Can't go wrong with a colt IMO ( others than the expanse). The can be had for around $900 if you look around. There is a thread on arforum with the owner of battle field Vegas which is a high volume range in Vegas. He speaks very highly of the colts. I believe he said the bcg on the colts last around 60k rounds which is double of some other ones
 
QUOTE: "Money doesn't always equal quality......and quality doesn't always equal money..."

True-maybe not always but it does most of the time. Unfortunately. :(
 
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