White River primers showing up in the wild.

Kaldor said:
OEM only? So scrubs like me can't buy them? I'd think about buying 5000 and splitting them up among friends.
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I've always known it to mean "original equipment manufacturer" at least in the automobile world.

I put 5000 in my cart, came up to $600.00 after shipping & hazmat.

They take CC so seemed legit, although I didn't purchase or even put my info in.

Shipping was a raping at $36, however hazmat was only$14.95.
 
Federals on Target Sports Ammunition Plus was $400 less 8% plus hazmat plus shipping insurance is $418.

I think i will get some WW or CCI from Academy, $7.59/C on their card, no add on shipping or hazmat.
 
Kaldor said:
OEM only? So scrubs like me can't buy them? I'd think about buying 5000 and splitting them up among friends.
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I think the "OEM only" tag is referring to the bulk ordering info right below the tag.
 
Yankee1986 said:
I've always known it to mean "original equipment manufacturer" at least in the automobile world.

I put 5000 in my cart, came up to $600.00 after shipping & hazmat.

They take CC so seemed legit, although I didn't purchase or even put my info in.

Shipping was a raping at $36, however hazmat was only$14.95.
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Yeah I don’t question their legitimacy but the primer outfit sells through one retail outlet here and then apparently a number of others 10000 miles away in NZ & AU. Yet they also said no retail for all of 2024.

I’ll quit now.
 
CQB45ACP said:
Yeah I don’t question their legitimacy but the primer outfit sells through one retail outlet here and then apparently a number of others 10000 miles away in NZ & AU. Yet they also said no retail for all of 2024.

I’ll quit now.
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Marketing is full of different dynamics.... and contractual obligations. They may have made a pre-production deal to raise capital with the people they are selling their product to, now.
 
If it matters, the only people using them that I have first hand accounts from other than Jim Watson here on THR, are all manufacturers and all getting them on OEM accounts, and apparently they are getting them for far less than the one US retailer that's carrying them so far...like .03 to .05 ea for SP and LP. But they are buying in pretty big volumes, and all signed no-resale agreements. It's been a decade since you could get CCI OEM at less than .03, so definitely some high hopes for this company ramping up production enough to make a dent in the competition. Definitely a good sign that Republic Ammunition is selling for .06 ea before shipping/hazmat, which is pretty decent for retail these days I think. Their shipping is a tad steep, but their hazmat is only 14 bucks.
 
EricBu said:
If it matters, the only people using them that I have first hand accounts from other than Jim Watson here on THR, are all manufacturers and all getting them on OEM accounts, and apparently they are getting them for far less than the one US retailer that's carrying them so far...like .03 to .05 ea for SP and LP. But they are buying in pretty big volumes, and all signed no-resale agreements. It's been a decade since you could get CCI OEM at less than .03, so definitely some high hopes for this company ramping up production enough to make a dent in the competition. Definitely a good sign that Republic Ammunition is selling for .06 ea before shipping/hazmat, which is pretty decent for retail these days I think. Their shipping is a tad steep, but their hazmat is only 14 bucks.
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Interesting.

When Midway, or Midsouth, or Brownell's, or Graf's, or Natchez, or BPS, or Powder Valley, or Outdoor Limited start selling them, I'll be closer to believing.
 
CQB45ACP said:
Interesting.

When Midway, or Midsouth, or Brownell's, or Graf's, or Natchez, or BPS, or Powder Valley, or Outdoor Limited start selling them, I'll be closer to believing.
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If the trail of lawsuits and public-holdings documents I found are accurate (and my research abilities are open to scrutiny) it seems like WRE is using equipment designed for SIGArms USA which allows anyone capable of forming a coherent sentence (sorry @Mark_Mark ) to open up a “primer factory.” Pre-mix primer compound, paper tape, and brass strips go in one end and finished primers come out the other. The design is ingenious. The engineer who came up with it was contracted by SIGArms but seems to have gone rogue. “Seems” because there are lawsuits involved and both sides have legitimate claims. I did all of my research using Goggle and an old HP NetBook running Solus Linux on a slow WiFi connection so take the above with a grain of salt-lick. Your results may vary.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
If the trail of lawsuits and public-holdings documents I found are accurate (and my research abilities are open to scrutiny) it seems like WRE is using equipment designed for SIGArms USA which allows anyone capable of forming a coherent sentence (sorry @Mark_Mark ) to open up a “primer factory.” Pre-mix primer compound, paper tape, and brass strips go in one end and finished primers come out the other. The design is ingenious. The engineer who came up with it was contracted by SIGArms but seems to have gone rogue. “Seems” because there are lawsuits involved and both sides have legitimate claims. I did all of my research using Goggle and an old HP NetBook running Solus Linux on a slow WiFi connection so take the above with a grain of salt-lick. Your results may vary.
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What does English Grammar gotta do with making good Primers! 😂 ask the Italian Guys!
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
If the trail of lawsuits and public-holdings documents I found are accurate (and my research abilities are open to scrutiny) it seems like WRE is using equipment designed for SIGArms USA which allows anyone capable of forming a coherent sentence (sorry @Mark_Mark ) to open up a “primer factory.” Pre-mix primer compound, paper tape, and brass strips go in one end and finished primers come out the other. The design is ingenious. The engineer who came up with it was contracted by SIGArms but seems to have gone rogue. “Seems” because there are lawsuits involved and both sides have legitimate claims. I did all of my research using Goggle and an old HP NetBook running Solus Linux on a slow WiFi connection so take the above with a grain of salt-lick. Your results may vary.
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Well that is interesting and I recall reading something on the litigation.

Now, what’s the NZ angle?
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
If the trail of lawsuits and public-holdings documents I found are accurate (and my research abilities are open to scrutiny) it seems like WRE is using equipment designed for SIGArms USA which allows anyone capable of forming a coherent sentence (sorry @Mark_Mark ) to open up a “primer factory.” Pre-mix primer compound, paper tape, and brass strips go in one end and finished primers come out the other. The design is ingenious. The engineer who came up with it was contracted by SIGArms but seems to have gone rogue. “Seems” because there are lawsuits involved and both sides have legitimate claims. I did all of my research using Goggle and an old HP NetBook running Solus Linux on a slow WiFi connection so take the above with a grain of salt-lick. Your results may vary.
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And don't leave out D&M Holdings, which seem to be part of this whole mess as well, their website and hosting are all done by the same as White River...and they used the same template for both. D&M put itself out there as a turn key "let us set you up in the ammunition industry" company.

Solus? You are a curmudgeon aren't you, lol. Out of the hundreds of distros out there, and you landed on Solus (smh).
 
stacktester said:
Possible angle, WRE has been exporting rifle primers to NZ for NZ F-Class Open shooters or the NZ F-Class Open team.
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I get that part—for some strange reason I read forums in NZ and AU discussing these primers.

But a question that rattles around in my addled brain is “why?” Why would a startup primer mfr in Des Arc, Arkansas which has essentially no distribution in Arkansas and only Ohio in the USA, send such a precious item 10000 miles away across the globe instead of just across the street?
 
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