Who carries Condition 2

[Samuel Adams]

...with an pistol that has no decocker? The reason I ask this is because my vz82 seems to be designed for this type of carry. It is SA/DA, has a manual safety instead of a decocker, and the hammer has a long spur to lower the hammer. Frankly, I don't see an issue as long as one is careful.

 

[1911Tuner]

On rare occasions/special circumstances, I carry a 1911 in Condition 2. Oddball situations that make 2 a *slightly* better option, mainly.

99% of the time, it's in C-1 or C-3.

 

[Moonclip]

I've done it with single action pocket/vest pocket pistols with hammers that are single action such as the Beretta 950's and the FIE titan .25acp or the Excam versions. 1911Tuner, when specifically do you use condition 2?

 

[m38shooter]

I carry condition 2. There's no obscure, mystical reasoning for it, I just don't trust manual safeties and condition 2 makes me more comfortable.

 

[StrawHat]

Someone please refresh my memory.

C1 Chamber loaded, cocked and locked.

C2 ??

C3 ??

C4 ??

Thanks

I remember the Israelis carried the High Power, empty chamber, and upon drawing they racked the slide to chamber a cartridge.

That was 30 years ago, things might be different now.

 

[Samuel Adams]

I carry condition 2. There's no obscure, mystical reasoning for it, I just don't trust manual safeties and condition 2 makes me more comfortable.

I'm fine with manual safeties however the one on my vz82 is a bit stiff. My CZ75, however, cannot be safely carried in Condition 2. The custom sights are too large to safely lower the hammer.

GO BUCKS!

 

[Samuel Adams]

Someone please refresh my memory.

Condition 0 - Cocked, safety off, loaded chamber.

Condition 1 Cocked and Locked on a loaded chamber, full mag

Condition 2 Hammer down on a loaded chamber, full mag

Condition 3 Hammer down empty chamber w/ full mag

Condition 4 hammer down empty chamber w/ no mag

 

[Jim Watson]

Jan Stevenson once carried the Condition chart out to the ridiculous extreme:
Magazine loaded, chamber empty, safety on; in a flap holster with the strap buckled.
Condition 13.
He fudged the other conditions for it to come out that way, of course, but it was a real condition of carry for the German police, armed with .32 Walthers in the 1960s.

If you plan on a DA start after easing the hammer down, I would not call that a Condition 2 carry. Cooper's conditions of readiness were meant to apply to single action autos like 1911 and BHP; not crunchentickers and other mutants. So a real Conditon 2 requires thumb cocking on the draw.

MY CZ75 is a "pre-B" with spur hammer and no overhanging sights. I have eased the hammer many times in practice, competition, and preparation for home defense from a DA start with never a slip. Seldom cocked it, though.

 

[Walkalong]

I carry cocked and locked or sometimes nothing in the chamber, but not condition 2. And I don't want to hear it.

 

[The Bushmaster]

Condition 1...

 

[TG13]

i have an XD, so i can't carry in condition 2.. it's 1, or 3..

 

[1911Tuner]

1911Tuner, when specifically do you use condition 2?

Not so much these days, but in the past...bustin' the boonies up on a 4-wheeler, and with the pistol in a military flap holster for maximum coverage...hammer down to keep as much trash out of the lockwork as possible...but still keeping the ability to ready the gun to fire with one hand.

Any other time...Condition 1 or Condition 3...dependin' where I am...at home usually...or if somethin' just tells me to to go to C-1.

 

[brickeyee]

Condition Fife: hammer down empty chamber w/ no mag, ammunition in other pocket out of mag.

 

[1911Tuner]

Condition Fife

Grooooaaaaaaaaaaannnnn...

That't it! You owe me a keyboard. Big slurp of Turbo Joe just went all over it!

 

[Samuel Adams]

Condition Fife

Damn...:banghead: I gotta listen to this stuff every day at work.

 

[Claude Clay]

condition sic

gun at home spooning with the socks

on of us is loaded.........

 

[Mad Magyar]

Actually, Condition Five was coined by a magazine writer describing the SFS sytem (Cylinder & Slide), similar to the "fast-action" of a Daewoo..
Cocked & Locked w/Hammer down, ready to fire in SA w/flick of safety.

 

[Treo]

My wife carries her CZ 82 condition 2 & I carry my 75B the same way no problems

 

[PotatoJudge]

I've done it in the woods some where there is a safe backdrop while thumbing the hammer down. When crossing creeks with slippery rocks and a 1911 in the back pocket of my jeans, there's too much of a chance of going from condition 1 to 0 to hole-in-my-leg-in-the-middle-of-the-woods. I understand the arguments against condition 2, and my normal carry is 1, but I think 2 has a place in the right circumstances.

 

[1911Tuner]

Lowering the hammer on a loaded weapon does carry a certain element of risk...but the birds won't fall from the sky and the rivers won't stop flowing to the sea if it's done...and it can be done in complete safety if one maintains full attention to the task at hand.

If I ever find that I've lost the manual dexterity required to safely lower a hammer...I'll stop messin' with guns.

 

[Samuel Adams]

If I ever find that I've lost the manual dexterity required to safely lower a hammer...I'll stop messin' with guns.

Good point.

 

[StrawHat]

If I ever find that I've lost the manual dexterity required to safely lower a hammer...I'll stop messin' with guns.

Likely when that time comes someone will be wiping drool from my chin as I will not be capable of doing it myself.

Hopefully at that time,one of my children will care enough to hand me my favorite revolver...loaded.

 

[Treo]

I don't switch back & forth from C-1 to C-2, once a week we go to the range, practice, clean the weapons you know the drill. I load, chamber & decock both weapons and they go back in the holster for another week. seems to be safer that way.

 

[Hoppy590]

il be honest, id never carry con 2.

i have SA for Con 1 carry.

glocks and other "safe action" what evers are for any other purpose.


but id be interested int his Jan Stevenson condition chart for a laugh. anyone know more?