Why DC will HAVE TO appeal the Parker decision

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I think due in minor part to their own hubris and in major part from prodding by the antis, DC has to appeal to the SCOTUS. Here’s why.

The United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, is informally known as the Junior Supreme Court of the United States.

The reason for this reputation is that this is the sole district that is not encompassing a specific geographical region of states or territories from which cases are drawn. As such, the Justices that serve there are not put on it in part by Senatorial favoritism, so the DC Circuit Court of Appeals is about as close to a meritocracy as the lower federal courts get. The lack of geographic reach is also the byproduct of another function of this unique Circuit. All federal rule-making powers are reviewed, in the end, by this Court of Appeals, oftentimes directly. Federal laws can also be directly attacked in their jurisdiction.

That is why DC will be prodded by gun control forces to appeal. They have to. The DC Circuit has ruled, essentially en banc since refusing a rehearing, that the 2A is unequivocally an individual right. As of this writing, Parker is already a stick of dynamite with a lit fuse, and when it goes off, much of the federal ticky-tack regulation of guns will likely die in the explosion. DC and the antis can only hope that the SCOTUS pulls the fuse out, otherwise the explosion is just a matter of time.

Eventually, the following items are under direct threat: 1) The 1986 closing of the machine gun registry. That one is a defacto ban if there ever was one. 2) All of the import bans of various pedigree are under direct threat. After all, if the 2A is a fundamental individual right, on what basis does the government tell a citizen from which country he or she may obtain a firearm? We do not restrict folks from subscribing to foreign magazines or “pre-ban” inviting foreign religious leaders into the country for spiritual guidance, so why can I not have a Russian made AK clone if I wish? Why should there have to be a mandatory US parts count on imported rifles to get around a “sporting purposes” arms restriction? There is no mention of sport in the constitution as the Parker decision made clear, so the Gun Control Act of 1968 is also under direct threat. 3) The restoration of firearms rights following expungement of an old conviction is in direct danger. Restoration used to be possible, but Congress has defunded the ATF from processing applications, another de facto ban on a class of persons.

Finally, 4) the entire tax stamp scheme of the 1934 NFA is under direct threat. It is not under threat because of what $200.00 represents today in proportion to a $15,000.00 transferrable M-16, but rather, the question of Miller would be directly confronted. Miller seemed to suggest that if the sawed-off shotgun in question were a militia useable weapon, then the tax scheme would be an unconstitutional infringement. The power to tax is the power to destroy.

It is the intent of the NFA that will be examined closely. A cursory examination of the relative value of the items sought to be taxed back in the day and the $200.00 demanded back then, served to make the tax many more times the value of the weapon being taxed in most cases. Since the NFA is still valid law, and since the tax stamp could be raised by a simple majority vote if signed by the president, the entire intent of the Act is called into question. It is true that Congress has broad powers to lay in revenue, however, it is impermissible to overtax a constitutionally protected freedom so as to make the exercise of it cost prohibitive. It is not even so much the money involved in the NFA that would be at issue, it is rather the onerous accompanying paperwork that might call for its constitutional doom. One could readily pay the Treasury a direct $200.00 attached to a form, but the fingerprinting, the permission of the chief law enforcement officer? Those are likely unconstitutional infringements.

I am not an expert on firearms law, but if I can sort of see the long term implications of Parker in the DC Circuit as it applies to present and future federal laws and regulations coming under ready and successful attack by CATO and the NRA, the antis have a very crystalline view of the danger to their agenda. They will do everything in their power to cajole Mayor Fenty to appeal. If they don’t, they have fully lost half of the battle (the federal level), for the rest of time if the Supremes keep ducking the 2A.

And the extension of Parker to attack stupid gun control laws, when the resultant "bloodbath" never occurs, will only reinforce RKBA rights in any eventual SCOTUS showdown if Parker is not taken up and overturned by the SCOTUS.

The antis don't want this showdown now, but they have to take the chance while they still have at least 4 pliable Justices on the Court who might vote their agenda. If the Republicans get to name another one or two justices, or if Parker is not appealed, it is game over, perhaps permanently, for major gun control initiatives and the antis will be reduced to ankle biting on the details of sweeping pro-RKBA roll backs of gun control.

Parker currently grants individuals standing to sue over the deprivation of their firearms rights. Certainly there is someone in the nation who wants to sue over 922(o), the various import bans, the inability to restore their RKBA rights following an expungement, or who might want a silencer without having a "by your leave" made to a CLEO.

Parker, if it becomes final now, is almost as dangerous to the antis' agenda by itself, as a square on SCOTUS decision upholding an individual right.

Therefore, the antis will do everything they can to see that Parker is appealed to SCOTUS. Hang onto your hats.
 
That's my point. The only SCOTUS pass that will defuse Parker would be to review it and deprive the petitioners their victory on the basis of standing.

If they don't do that, and just deny cert, Parker is a very viable threat to every federal gun control law extant.
 
You are correct in your analysis, however every instance you site, each one of those things would have to be attacked in individual court cases. They would not be automatically stricken by a "win" favorable to individual RKBA in the Parker case.

That process would take decades. Sometimes for each individual law. And it would also take courts (including future SCOTUS benches) willing to acknowledge a pro individual RKBA decision in the Parker case in the first place.

Parker would be a big win, but not a slam-dunk.
 
I would disagree. Right now it's balanced in our favor. However, come 2008, I'm betting dollars to donuts that the executive and the legislative branch become largely anti-gun. If any justices retire during that time, it'll be trivial to put a liberal justice on the bench. As long as no one causes trouble right now, the Parker verdict has no impact on standing laws (and the odds of someone testing any of the laws you named in the immediate future is very low). If they can bide their time and shift the balance in their favor, then bring it up, they would stand to benefit. They just have to hold out for two more years.
 
1) The 1986 closing of the machine gun registry. That one is a defacto ban if there ever was one.

http://www.saf.org/AllSupremeCourtTable.html

Already violates a previous SCOTUS ruling:
1922: BAILEY v. DREXEL FURNITURE CO. - The court found that taxes must have revenue as their primary motive, and regulation through punitive taxes are unconstitutional. Furthermore, the court warned that "The good sought in unconstitutional legislation is an insidious feature. . . . " because it leads people to promote it without thoughts of the negative imacts on society. Often mispelled "Drexall."

When they closed the registry, they violated this. Why no one has brought this fact up before is a little confusing.
 
Thanks for a very thought-provoking post. I was figuring exactly the opposite, that Bradybunchers would lean on Mayor Fenty to not appeal Parker to SCOTUS, because as-is it puts some major dents in the Washington DC gun ban, but if SCOTUS goes along with the DC Circuit Court, it extends that "damage" to all federal law and possibly (with incorporation) to the 50 states as well. But, I was unaware that federal law can be challenged in the DC Circuit Court.
 
If any justices retire during that time, it'll be trivial to put a liberal justice on the bench.

Yes, but you are likely going to be replacing a liberal with a liberal. Stevens and Ginsburg are likely the next to go.
 
I would only note that Parker has not taken decades and there is no requirement to attack unconstitutional laws one at a time.

I think the reason the NFA hasn't been challenged on tax grounds is that the regulation of firearms always implicates "police powers." Now, I think the FEDGOV's traditional invocation of police powers has always been weak, in part because policing is properly in the ambit of the states, but there is such a thing as federal police powers that helps to prop up the NFA and GCA. Congressional invocation of commercial regulation powers have also been cited in the past and the 2A has not yet been held to be a fundamental individual right.

Parker, if it stands, changes the game. Making the 2A an explicit individual right invokes by parallel an entire series of "tax" cases surrounding the First Amendment, ones that have made taxing religion and free speech rather trivial as opposed to onerous.
 
We see a classic tradeoff between political reality and judicial process. My bet is politics will win out. Democrats are in a position to run the table in '08. If successful they will then be able to emplace their court nominees and begin the process of creating a marxist utopia. I see no reason for the political authorities to jeopardize their chances by pushing court action.
 
Once again

Democrats are in a position to run the table in '08. If successful they will then be able to emplace their court nominees and begin the process of creating a marxist utopia.

Once again, let me point out that if a liberal president is seating liberal court appointees, the conservatives justices will dig in and the liberal president will only be able to replace liberal justices with new liberal justices. That is what has happened recently, only the other way around. We did change a moderate to a conservative, but in the last 6 1/2 years we have not unseated one single liberal justice.

What makes you so pessimistic about a moderate to conservatice next president seating moderate or conservative justices anyway?
 
Reasonable and logical, Boats.
Overall I tend to agree with your thinking.

But I don't expect to see an appeal any time soon.
My gut feeling is the antis are riding the euphoria wave of a Democrat congress and are sure there will be a Democrat President, so they won't try or encourage any major moves or risks before the '08 election.
That they are so sure of themselves makes me think they'll take the gamble and wait for a chance to have more amenable Justices on the bench and a President that's on their side.

Either way we need to secure our hats.
 
You are correct in your analysis, however every instance you site, each one of those things would have to be attacked in individual court cases. They would not be automatically stricken by a "win" favorable to individual RKBA in the Parker case.

That process would take decades. Sometimes for each individual law. And it would also take courts (including future SCOTUS benches) willing to acknowledge a pro individual RKBA decision in the Parker case in the first place.

Parker would be a big win, but not a slam-dunk.
In the current atmosphere you're correct.
But allow me a couple big ifs...

If the Supreme Court did make a ruling agreeing that the Second Amendment defines individual rights, and if a strong pro-liberty republican wins the Presidency, then I can imagine a situation where (the third big if) a strong grass-roots reaction by RKBA supporters directed at their representatives could result in the repeal/overturning of many restrictive firearms laws.

The first if is out of our hands.
The second if we can somewhat influence.

The third if is up to us. It won't happen unless we make it happen.
 
Igloodude is correct. From the antis' viewpoint, if the case stops now, the damage is limited to DC. They will simply order their "Uncle Toms" on the DC City Council to rewrite the law to remove the total ban and replace it with a permit system so cumbersome that no law-abiding person will be able to legally own a gun anyway.

But if the SC does back the DC circuit that the 2A is an individual right, many other similar laws in places from Chicago to Morton Grove, will come down. And the antis cannot accept that. I think they will cut their losses and hold on for now.

Jim
 
A cursory examination of the relative value of the items sought to be taxed back in the day and the $200.00 demanded back then, served to make the tax many more times the value of the weapon being taxed in most cases. Since the NFA is still valid law, and since the tax stamp could be raised by a simple majority vote if signed by the president, the entire intent of the Act is called into question. It is true that Congress has broad powers to lay in revenue, however, it is impermissible to overtax a constitutionally protected freedom so as to make the exercise of it cost prohibitive.

According to VT Dept. of Labor stats, $200 was 5 months income in 1934. However, the amount of the tax has never changed, unlike gun prices, which will be viewed in court as evidence that it's purpose IS to collect revenue, not reduce ownership numbers. As long as this tax amount doesn't change, the NFA's argument that it's just a tax continues to get stronger.


When they closed the registry, they violated this. Why no one has brought this fact up before is a little confusing.
This was partially addressed in the case US v. Rock River Arms (1990). Even though it was after 1986, the court agreed to treat the NFA as a revenue collecting action instead of a ban because Rock River pointed out that US attorneys had argued that was it's purpose in US v. Miller (1939).

However, they didn't address the civilian ownership issue as the case involved selling machineguns to foreign entitties.
 
According to VT Dept. of Labor stats, $200 was 5 months income in 1934. However, the amount of the tax has never changed, unlike gun prices, which will be viewed in court as evidence that it's purpose IS to collect revenue, not reduce ownership numbers. As long as this tax amount doesn't change, the NFA's argument that it's just a tax continues to get stronger

I disagree. How much was Miller's shotgun in 1934? I'd be willing to bet it was nowhere near $200.00

A $200.00 shotgun of today would have cost $13.29 in 1934. The only NFA weapon even close to the cost of the stamp back then were various higher end Thompson Subguns.

The Court would not look at the interplay between tax and inflation today, but go back to it's original intent, which is obviously a de facto ban. Next best thing would be to reopen the registry and deflate the law's market distorting effects.
 
"Hold out" for how long? At some point the law is null and void, valid only during any appeal window. If DC passes on a SCOTUS appeal, they're done.
 
Leapin' litigation, Batman! NFA? Drexel Furniture? A listing of precatory issues? Litigation that has not happened and will likely not? What the devil is going on here.:evil:

To paraphrase my uncle, "ain't no way" the antis want Parker appealed to the Supreme Court. A decision like Parker which applies the 2d to the states via the 14th is a big lump of Semtex on the laws of Massachusetts, Illinois, California, etc. Jubilation Day, the North Man come and set us free!

Think the 9th Circuit cares what the DC Circuit says? No, they don't. Why would the 1st Circuit care?

A granted cert in Parker would force the Supreme Court, who has been ducking like mad, to examine the RKBA and like many Leftists, they are culturally disinclined to like what they see. The Framers were THR members, through and through.:D
 
They will simply order their "Uncle Toms" on the DC City Council to rewrite the law to remove the total ban and replace it with a permit system so cumbersome that no law-abiding person will be able to legally own a gun anyway.
On the other hand, that'll be challenged too. And many federal laws. I wonder, if you register a post-86 gun in DC, would you then be able to transfer it out of district?
 
Already violates a previous SCOTUS ruling:
1922: BAILEY v. DREXEL FURNITURE CO. - The court found that taxes must have revenue as their primary motive, and regulation through punitive taxes are unconstitutional. Furthermore, the court warned that "The good sought in unconstitutional legislation is an insidious feature. . . . " because it leads people to promote it without thoughts of the negative imacts on society. Often mispelled "Drexall."

When they closed the registry, they violated this. Why no one has brought this fact up before is a little confusing.

Because that case was decided in a time when the Supreme Court acted as a check on the expansion of government power, unlike today's Court, which gives Congress a blank check to do anything it wants, but strikes down centuries-old laws which the Court sees as interfering with peoples' ability to explore the "concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life" (i.e., killing children and anal sex). How did we go from there to here? Four terms of FDR.
 
You know, people keep saying that the Democrats will run the board in 2008. Maybe they will and maybe they won't, but three things come to mind when I hear this.

1.) The majority of Democrats that won in the last election ran to the right of their opponents, especially on gun control.

2.) The new Democratic Congress has the same approval rating as Pres. Bush, think about that one!!! (Personally, I think the Democrats are misreading the American people, we don't necessarily want to retreat from terrorism, I think mostly we either want to win or get the hell out, no more half measures.)

Congressional Approval Rating same as Presidents.

3.) A lot of things can happen in a year and a half, illegal immigration, health care, tax changes, scandals, in short the Democrats have shown a serious propensity for snatching defeat from the jaws victory time after time.

Just a point, even if we have to appeal each and every federal gun law, Parker will definitely smooth the way. The USSC will be years in determining the limits of our recently returned right to bear arms.
 
I disagree. How much was Miller's shotgun in 1934? I'd be willing to bet it was nowhere near $200.00

A $200.00 shotgun of today would have cost $13.29 in 1934. The only NFA weapon even close to the cost of the stamp back then were various higher end Thompson Subguns.

The Court would not look at the interplay between tax and inflation today, but go back to it's original intent, which is obviously a de facto ban.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Yes, $200 WAS a de facto ban. But since then the courts have addressed it as a tax and not a ban. Read Miller (1939) and Rock River (1990).

$200tax vs. $10 gun is NOT a tax, it's a ban.
$200tax vs. $3500gun IS a tax. Just like sales tax.

I was simply saying that as time goes on, if the $200 amount stays the same, less and less people can say that it was THE prohibitive reason they didn't get the gun they wanted. Instead, the .gov's claims that it IS a tax (not past tense), will be harder and harder to argue against.

The court has been lenient with tax laws for awhile now, and even if the law WAS started as a ban, noone ever admitted it, and as time goes by, it gets easier and easier to cover up. They have always maintained it was a tax, and now that the amont is "more reasonable" it's easier to argue that it IS a tax.
 
I still believe that it makes more sense for the Antis to pass on pushing Parker to SCOTUS.

They have everything to lose and little to gain by pushing right now since Fenty/DC will just enact an onerous quasi-ban until someone sues and the lawsuit process starts all over....but in three+ years once the case makes it through the legal system the Executive AND Executive not to mention composition of DC Circuit and SCOTUS MAY be more Lefty giving them a better chance of winning and subsequently changing the entire 2A Landscape.

Make no bones about it folks, the Demotards are betting the whole ball of wax on the 2008 Elections.

If we allow Anti 2A's to take control of BOTH houses of Congress AND the Executive Branch then we're in a world of hurt.....there will be so much "Sensible" crammed up your butts you won't know whether to sit on the can or plant your face in it.
 
DC has 90 days to appeal to the Supremes for cert. They just can't hang onto this until a "more favorable" SC exists. So they can't wait until the '08 election to see if Hillary or Obama wins (and then a Justice retires) then file for cert. They basically have until 11 August.

There are only three things that can happen:
A. The Supremes can deny cert. We end up with Status Quo ante across the board. Most likely result. DC residents will get to own and store functioning firearms in their homes, but there will be a New York/Illinois/Michigan/Missouri process to buy/get one. Probably something like this:
1. You need get a FOID Card (like in Illinois) and a Pistol Permit (like in New York).
2. When you want to buy a gun, you need apply in person to get a permit to purchase (like in Missouri).
3. If after 6-12 months, you get your permit to purchase, you can go buy the gun, but now you need to go get it added to FOID/Permit Card. Take another day off work and spend a day dealing with the buearucracy/court clerks and a judge, btw, you still don't have the firearm yet (like in New York).
4. Once it's added to the FOID/Permit (assuming that no Judge, CLEO, clerk or other buearucrat has said "No" yet). You can then go pick it up and you have "X" number of days to take it to the local police station to have it "Safety Inspected" (like Michigan).
5. Like in Michigan, the DC police will only do inspections from 10:00 to 10:01am on days that have the letter in "Q" in them, during a blue moon and at least 6 planets have to be aligned in the third house of Sagittarius. That will be called a "reasonable restriction".

B. The Supremes grant cert and rule like they did in Kelo and McCain-Feingold. The Second Amendment gets screwed like the First and the Fifth (heck, pretty much all of the amendements recently). With O'Conner gone the odds of this happening are less, but still a possibility. Then with the D's in control of Congress and the White House, the above process to get a gun gets applied nationwide and the BATFE also gets to approve/disapprove. Oh, but everything to include toys guns paintball guns, water pistols, and supersoakers will be banned. Real guns will be confiscated and there former owners sent(enced) to "anti-aggresion" (re-education) training. Calling your new home Buchenwald or Auschwitz will incur the wrath of the Capo's.

C. The Supremes grant cert, read the Constitution, try as they might to apply the living, breathing, evolving, "What would the Euro-weenies think" worldview theory, and that in spite of it all that, there is still an individual right to keep and bear arms and actually rule that way. Then the fun really begins as just about every ban will be challanged in various courts using Parker as the basis to overturn, Chicago, 992(o), CCW may issue/shall issue, et. al. and etc. Some we will win and other we will lose. But it's going to be a long hard slog, just as tough if not tougher then the on-going abortion fight (34 years and counting.)


My Prognostication:
This case is Pandora's Box, I can't see it getting the necessary votes to grant cert as both sides have avoided the issue like a Hot Potato for years.
A. Deny Cert: 75% Probably the only Supreme who would want to see this is Scalia. Thomas and to lesser extent Roberts maybe, but not so much. None of the liberals want this to see the light of day as the mental gymnastics required to say that "the people" in 2A are not the same people discussed anywhere else the Constitution or BOR.
B. Grant Cert and we end up with a Kelo-like decision: 15%.
C. Grant Cert and rule in favor of Parker: 10%.

JMHO.
 
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1.) The majority of Democrats that won in the last election ran to the right of their opponents, especially on gun control.

That is a myth. Analysis of the election didn't show that at all.
 
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