Wisconsin massacre followup

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I did not see this anywhere else, just following up. Please delete if it's a double post moderators.

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/10/08/783187.html&cvqh=itn_rampage

Wis. Deputy Flew Into Rage After Rebuff
By ROBERT IMRIE, Associated Press Writer
5 hours ago

CRANDON, Wis. - A young sheriff's deputy who opened fire on a pizza party and killed six people reportedly flew into a rage when he was rebuffed by his old girlfriend, and others at the gathering called him a "worthless pig."

A longtime friend told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Monday that 20-year-old Tyler Peterson came to his door in the hours after the rampage and calmly explained what he had done.

"He wasn't running around crazy or anything. He was very, very sorry for what he did," Mike Kegley told the newspaper, adding that he gave Peterson coffee and food and later called 911.

Peterson told Kegley that he had gone to his ex-girlfriend's house early Sunday morning in hopes of patching up the relationship after a recent breakup. But, he said, Peterson lost control when the meeting ended in an argument and other people started ridiculing him as a "worthless pig."

Kegley declined to comment when reached by The Associated Press.

Police, who declined to provide details of the argument, said Peterson stormed out, retrieved an AR-15 rifle from his car outside and burst back into the house firing 30 shots that killed all but one of the people at the party.

"We had no idea, obviously, that anything like this would ever occur," Crandon Police Chief John Dennee said at a news conference Monday.

Peterson, a deputy and part-time police officer, died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers. Whether Peterson was shot by police or took his own life was unclear.

The rampage raised questions in the remote northern Wisconsin community of 2,000 about how Peterson could have met requirements to become a law enforcement officer, especially after police acknowledged Monday that Peterson received no psychological screening before he was hired.

Some questioned the wisdom of hiring someone so young.

"No person that I've ever known at 20 years old was responsible enough to be a police officer," said Steve Bocek, of Oak Creek, whose nephew Bradley Schultz was killed. "It's unbelievable. You don't have the mind to be a police officer. It takes a lot."

But Crandon city attorney Lindsay Erickson said age doesn't matter as long as officers do their jobs well. Peterson testified for her in several cases. He wrote good reports and was "true to his job," she said.

"From what I saw of him, I didn't see any warning signs or red flags," Erickson said.

Peterson was hired as full-time deputy sheriff on Sept. 11, 2006, at the age of 19, according to personnel records released by the Forest County clerk. His yearlong probation ended last month.

Dr. Phil Trompetter, a police psychologist in Modesto, Calif., estimated at least 80 percent of states require psychological testing of prospective officers.

"Wisconsin must be in a very small minority of states," he said.

The Wisconsin Department of Justice Law Enforcement Standards Board requires only that applicants be free of any emotional or mental condition that might hinder them in their duties. It does not say how that is determined.

No formal national standards exist for hiring police, although individual states are adopting requirements such as mandatory psychological tests, said Craig Zendzian, author of several guidebooks for police applicants.

In Minnesota, for example, police officers must be licensed by the state Board of Peace Officer Standards and Training _ a process that includes an evaluation by a licensed psychologist.

At the news conference, which gave the most detailed explanation yet of the shooting, the police chief said Peterson and the young woman had been in a relationship for a few years.

"They had broken up and gone back and forth," Dennee said.

After the attack, in phone conversations with the police chief and others, Peterson identified himself as the shooter, authorities said.

Kegley said his family had tried to coax Peterson into surrendering, but he was shot after getting out of his truck and walking off about 50 yards toward the woods around 2 p.m. Sunday _ about nine hours after the shootings at the party.

"He was just very remorseful about what happened," Kegley told the newspaper.

The rifle used in the shootings is the type used by the sheriff's department, but investigators had not confirmed whether the gun came from law enforcement.

The six people killed in the rampage were either students or recent graduates of Crandon High School. They were at the house to share pizza and watch movies during the school's homecoming weekend. Classes were canceled Monday, and many teens went to a church to meet with counselors.

The other victims were identified as Jordanne Murray, who was believed to be the girlfriend; Katrina McCorkle; Leanna Thomas; Aaron Smith; and Lindsey Stahl. Autopsies were scheduled to be completed Monday, but results were not immediately available.

Schultz, 20, was a third-year criminal justice major at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee who hoped to be a homicide detective. He was home visiting friends and appeared to have died trying to protect one.

"We still don't have many details, but from what they've told us, there was a girl next to him and he was covering her, protecting her," said an aunt, Sharon Pisarek, as she sobbed. "He was loved by everybody. He was everybody's son. Senseless."

The lone survivor, Charlie Neitzel, 21, of Pickerel, was upgraded to serious condition and was improving Monday at a hospital.

Pastor Bill Farr read a statement from Peterson's family in which relatives expressed their shock and sorrow.

"Our hearts go out to the victims, their families and their friends. We are grieving for your losses. We feel a tremendous amount of guilt and shame for the acts Tyler committed," it said.

It continued: "We may never receive the answers we all seek. Like those close to Tyler we are in shock and disbelief that he would do such terrible things. This was not the Tyler we knew and loved."

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Associated Press writers Todd Richmond in Madison, Wis., and Amy Forliti in Minneapolis contributed to this story.

To me, it sounds like he was heading off to the woods to commit suicide after the gravity of what his temper allowed him to do set in. The police caught up with him and he saw it as an opportunity to commit suicide in that fashion instead.
 
I did a hell of a lot of foolish things out of anger when I was in that terrible twilight between childhood and adulthood. A dangerous time, that - 18-21.
 
especially after police acknowledged Monday that Peterson received no psychological screening before he was hired.

A dangerous time, that - 18-21.

I and a lot of my comrades were (and are at this very moment) carrying firearms and explosives guarding the nation's nuclear alert forces at that age. There are a lot of young men and women in that age group who are conducting themselves in a way that should make us proud overseas, making life and death decisions on a daily basis. Age is a factor, but the screening and training process clearly failed here. I weep for the victims and their families, but my anger is reserved for those who failed to take reasonable precautions that an unstable individual not be entrusted with a sense of authority that he wasn't capable of handling.
 
I and a lot of my comrades were (and are at this very moment) carrying firearms and explosives guarding the nation's nuclear alert forces at that age. There are a lot of young men and women in that age group who are conducting themselves in a way that should make us proud overseas, making life and death decisions on a daily basis.

Yep. You and the vast majority of young people in America.
 
- Before we had psych testing we had police.

- Before we had police 20 was more than old enough to be a man responsible for protecting yourself and others.

- Killing someone because you have been jilted and feeling guilty about it later.... Well, that is as old as Cain, literally. No amount of screening and testing will uncover what a jealous man ''might'' do at age 20 or 50. Police already commit crime (or perhaps get caught) at a higher rate than the rest of the populace. Psych testing and all. So much for testing.
 
We had a twenty year veteran of the Illinois State Police go bonkers after finding his wife was cheating on him.
Shot her eight times with his service issue 9mm.

I don't understand what phsycological issues cause a man or woman to do such a thing but age doesn't appear to have anything to do with the trend.

Many, many people have killed themselves instead of the partner over such broken relationships too and age doesn't play a part in this trend either.

People sometimes snap when they don't get what they think they want.

Very selfish, very immature, very cruel.
Just the way the world is sometimes.
 
Politicians always love to do the "knee jerK" after an out-of-the-blue freak thing like this.

Just another law and/or regulation on the books that will accomplish nothing.

No law could stop something like this.

T.
 
reportedly flew into a rage when he was rebuffed by his old girlfriend, and others at the gathering called him a "worthless pig
See what happens when you call people names. :neener: Seriously though, I think it is a good thing if one is composed and polite enough to refrain from needlessly antagonizing others. Obviously, the response to the alleged insults was overkill and may have occurred even in the absence of provocation. Still, I believe if you look for trouble and you shall find it.
 
Wow, they sure are making something out of nothing with the "psychological screening" thing aren't they?

If this kid was a gas station attendant, would they be making a big stink about "why he wasn't screened before being hired as a gas station attendant?"

No they wouldn't, that makes no sense.

Similarly, it makes no sense to be complaining that he wasn't screened before becoming a police officer. He wasn't acting in the capacity of his job when he decided to kill a bunch of people, so what in the blue blazes does his form of employment, much less the hiring process of said employment, have to do with this incident?

Nothing, that's what.


Now, if he was summarily executing speeders on the highway after pulling them over, this would be a different story.
 
If this kid was a gas station attendant, would they be making a big stink about "why he wasn't screened before being hired as a gas station attendant?"

Bingo. Everyone (or, rather, the media) is simply fascinated by the fact that this guy was a cop. Do they think this event wouldn't have happened if he was delivering pizzas or bagging groceries instead? What he did for a living is totally irrelevant as to why he lost his temper and shot up a house full of kids.

Of course, "A pizza deliveryman who opened fire..." doesn't have quite the same headline value as "A young sheriff's deputy who opened fire..." does it?
 
I've come to realize that it is in extremely poor taste to make snide comments about this issue.

The boy was obviously emotionally troubled and I feel bad for him... he should have gotten counseling..... and I feel even worse for the people he killed as they were far too young to die... and especially like that. :(

There is really nothing funny about this event.
 
21 to carry an pistol, police, military or not. Heck, Military can't even carry firearms while on leave or off-base or not while deployed as far as I know. That's my big beef - why was he able to have a pistol at 20.
 
Bingo. Everyone (or, rather, the media) is simply fascinated by the fact that this guy was a cop. Do they think this event wouldn't have happened if he was delivering pizzas or bagging groceries instead? What he did for a living is totally irrelevant as to why he lost his temper and shot up a house full of kids.

I think the media is "shocked" because they think (maybe even expect) LEO's are better than Joe Citizen. Screening, then, will assure that they are.:barf:
 
"Wow, they sure are making something out of nothing with the "psychological screening" thing aren't they?"

I think you'll find that most of the writers who are covering this story come from larger cities where police are psycologically screened as a matter of routine. Naturally, they expect the same standards at every podunk police agency, never mind the cost. As has already been pointed out in earlier posts though, no amount of testing can predict or prevent this sort of incident. Some politician will try though.
 
I am sure the kid did ride alongs with other officers who assisted in his evaluation. He was screened/examined, just not by psychologist.
 
I think there are two ideas here that are shocking:
First, we expect police officers to be PEACE officers. They are supposed to be the father-figure, to have the maturity to defuse eactly the kind of situation that erupted in that house Sunday morning. To discover they are pimple-faced kids themselves with teen-age raging hormones is - - - - uncomfortable.

Secondly, while nobody has admitted it yet, we all know the deed was done with tax-payer-provided weapons the sheriff/police department issued him.
Now THAT is not a comfortable thing to deal with either, is it?

Fud
 
I took a rigorous psych eval before getting hired, and I had no complaints about it whatsoever. Its an entirely necessary step to being a police officer.

However, there is no direct correlation to psych evals and mass shootings. Do you want to take a psych eval next time you want to go buy an AR-15? Dont go give the antis any more ammuntion.

Psych evals and backgrounds checks are not the end-all be-all to murders and killings.

*Also, I became a police officer at age 21. Part of the psych eval is to see if you are mentally mature enough to deal with the stress of such a job. There is such thing as a mature 18-21 year old who operates of sound mind and judgement. There can be successful young cops, just as there can be 17-21 year old soldiers and marines, who do a far more taxing and demanding job at times.
 
the state is still holding back any information, and one of the top officials involved in the investigation has been suspended, apparently for sending threatening emails to other employees of the state. very strange. my guess is that they are trying very hard to do damage control and the dam is about to burst.

absolutely NO reason whatsoever not to release all the information they have to date. there is no criminal trial to worry about.
 
21 to carry an pistol, police, military or not.

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Obviously, the response to the alleged insults was overkill and may have occurred even in the absence of provocation. Still, I believe if you look for trouble and you shall find it

Who was "looking" for trouble? The people at the "pizza party" or the officer who went to the party to "patch things up" with an ex? My votes on the latter. Calling an officer a pig is disrespectful, but it isn't resisting a detention or assaulting an LEO, especially if it happens in someones house where there is an expectation of privacy and the officer is there for personal business. Was he even in uniform/on duty? I read this and I couldn't even believe it was true. Won't be seeing him around for a while I guess...
 
The rampage raised questions in the remote northern Wisconsin community of 2,000 about how Peterson could have met requirements to become a law enforcement officer, especially after police acknowledged Monday that Peterson received no psychological screening before he was hired.
My recollection of my psychological 'screening' is it consisted of an hour and a half of the psychologist insulting me while trying to get me to lose my temper.
 
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