Worst case scenario

[Hokie_PhD]

The gun and ammo companies might not mind a little more panic than there has been in the last 12 months.

I was thinking that too.
I’m a bit concerned. I know others are too.

If concern increases sales SOME but doesn’t turn into panic buying were ok. Full on panic is going to really mess up the market again.

 

[BigBore44]

If....IF this turns into a panic, its our fault for not being prepared.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

If....IF this turns into a panic, its our fault for not being prepared.

Being prepared has nothing to do with it. Herd mentality does.
If people think there is a profit to be made they’ll buy up what they can now to sell later. Look at all of the dealers and manufacturers. They stockpiled and stockpiled. Trump one and the end of the world as we know it didn’t happen.

So if people remain calm we will see minor change in the market but not major clean8ng of the shelves and price increases. If panic sets in. Prices will go up, shelves will clear and we know the story.

 

[BigBore44]

Being prepared has nothing to do with it. Herd mentality does.
If people think there is a profit to be made they’ll buy up what they can now to sell later. Look at all of the dealers and manufacturers. They stockpiled and stockpiled. Trump one and the end of the world as we know it didn’t happen.

So if people remain calm we will see minor change in the market but not major clean8ng of the shelves and price increases. If panic sets in. Prices will go up, shelves will clear and we know the story.

And those who prepared for another panic will sit back, pop some popcorn, and watch the show. That’s the thing about being prepared. It alleviates panic. I’m sitting on buckets of brass. Thousands and thousands of primers. Probably 70-80 lbs of powder. And enough bullets to reload that brass at least a couple times.

The more we talk about panic, the more likely we are to influence others into causing one. If you feel the need, start making orders for a sustainable supply. But the best thing for all (and I mean ALL) of us to do is not do that. That ensures the market, due to supply and demand, doesn’t start spinning out of control.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

I’m with you. I’m still recovering from the economic disaster of having my classroom shot up. But you’re right. A little at a time works. I’m nowhere where I’d like to be, but I’m ok if things get bad as I’ve done a little when I could.

 

[George P]

Congress can go a step further by requiring schools to allow teachers and staff carrying firearms as a condition for receiving Federal dollars for education.

Just one more reason to get the Feds out of education. This is a State's Rights issue, not a Federal one.

 

[CoalTrain49]

And in a previous post you said this.

Trump went on to say that his administration would look “very strongly” at allowing concealed carry weapons in schools, even though he knew “a lot of people are going to be opposed to it.”

When you post something like this I'm not sure if you believe what he says or not. It isn't clear, to me anyway.

So again I will say that only congress has the power to enact legislation that would change anything regarding the carry of firearms in schools.

I think Trump may be laboring under the assumption that the administration can change how states regulate firearms in schools. What US code specifically says the state can't authorize carry in schools anyway? They have been doing it in TX for awhile.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Just one more reason to get the Feds out of education. This is a State's Rights issue, not a Federal one.

At least someone here gets it.

 

[Hokie_PhD]

CoalTrain49 keep in mind that Trump gets he can’t rule by executive order. I think he’s learning to use the bully pulpit to get Congress and the states to take action. Love him, hate him or don’t care he’s learning and trying. And he’s ok with pissing people off.

So don’t be surprised when he gets something done on this. It won’t be what anyone wants, and it won’t be what anyone fears. My bet is something somewhere in the middle. But it’ll be something. Oh wait. I mean

It’ll be the biggest, best, most amazing, etc etc

But that the showman and ego of his. And another discussion in a different forum.

 

[Danoobie]

Still funny to me how some can use the “if it can save one life...” line but only use it on a single subject.

This is NOT about saving lives. Since the latest school debacle, thousands of people have died from poor diet, and being irresponsibly supplied with
deep-fried foods, saturated fat and cholesterol glop passing as nutrition. Nobody cares, including most of us, about that. But the point is that the
statistically insignificant amount of people killed in the school shooting is a groomed media event. So if thousands die, and hundreds of thousands
more are doomed to die, NOBODY CARES, boring. But let's all jump thru hoops, and go bananas, because a few dozen people meet their demise
in a manner which is not scripted by Nestle, General Mills, and Unilever.

 

[Jim NE]

Some good comments.

The worst thing I've seen suggested was on the Huffington Post: They want prospective gun buyers to list character references before getting a purchase license! That's the most unconstitutional idea I've ever heard.

But then again...that's the whole point.

 

[BSA1]

And in a previous post you said this.

Trump went on to say that his administration would look “very strongly” at allowing concealed carry weapons in schools, even though he knew “a lot of people are going to be opposed to it.”

When you post something like this I'm not sure if you believe what he says or not. It isn't clear, to me anyway.

So again I will say that only congress has the power to enact legislation that would change anything regarding the carry of firearms in schools.

I think Trump may be laboring under the assumption that the administration can change how states regulate firearms in schools. What US code specifically says the state can't authorize carry in schools anyway? They have been doing it in TX for awhile.

You must of missed the link to the source that I quoted his comments from.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/listenin...ump-urges-giving-teachers-guns-235554901.html

It is my practice to always post to the link of the source when I quote someone or get information from.

I have posted twice (#16 & #18) but again for your benefit I will repeat this comment again;

Congress can go a step further by requiring schools to allow teachers and staff carrying firearms as a condition for receiving Federal dollars for education.

But frankly I really don’t care what you think I believe.

 

[damyankee425]

and it starts. in a town close to mine. the is a Special AR 15 Blessing cerimony next week at a local church. yeah it's real. state police will be takeing names and zip tyeing the rifles so they'er inoperative. are we in PA that stupid? I think not

 

[damyankee425]

lets hope that if and when these things are presented to congress, they do their job as usual. not show up or fall asleep in their chairs.

 

[mokin]

Controlling a country like America is like holding a large handful of soft clay. With a relaxed grip, you can hold the whole thing easily. The more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.
"Gun Control" has already been way over-regulated. We already have laws they can't and don't enforce. What are they going to do, write new laws, then suddenly start enforcing them AND all the old laws, too?

I think I'll send this analogy to my representatives. Maybe even they can get the visual you've presented.

 

[CoalTrain49]

You must of missed the link to the source that I quoted his comments from.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/listenin...ump-urges-giving-teachers-guns-235554901.html

It is my practice to always post to the link of the source when I quote someone or get information from.

I have posted twice (#16 & #18) but again for your benefit I will repeat this comment again;

Congress can go a step further by requiring schools to allow teachers and staff carrying firearms as a condition for receiving Federal dollars for education.

But frankly I really don’t care what you think I believe.

That's fine.

I'm not here to persuade anyone about the administration and what it thinks it can do.

I think that will become obvious down the road.

The fact remains that states will do whatever they feel is necessary, including arming staff and teachers, without federal help or any intimidation using my tax dollars. We're already running a huge federal deficit.

I never was a huge proponent of the carrot or the stick approach, which is what the feds routinely practice.

Schools get less than 10% from the feds anyway for education and most of that's tied to special ed mandated programs.

But thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Cayce Charles]

Things may be complicated for us gun enthusiasts in the next few months.
1-UBC no exceptions
2-no guns of any kind under 21 yo
3-special tax on guns & ammo to safeguard schools.
4-mandatory National 10 day wait for anything that shoots over 10 rounds. Even with CWL
5-Mandatory 21 day waiting period for “assault” rifles. Pending special investigation by FBI
6-no multiple gun purchases, unless they are pump shotguns or Revolvers.
7-several more questions will be added to the 4473
8-online ammo purchase limited to 1K rounds per trimester, where legal.
9-no National CWL reciprocity.
10-no bump stocks, pistol grips or special “assault” modifications of any kind.
11-no suppressors.
12-CWL must be renewed very 2 years.

Other than 8,11, or 12 none would bother me at all.

 

[MedWheeler]

1-UBC no exceptions
2-no guns of any kind under 21 yo
3-special tax on guns & ammo to safeguard schools.
4-mandatory National 10 day wait for anything that shoots over 10 rounds. Even with CWL
5-Mandatory 21 day waiting period for “assault” rifles. Pending special investigation by FBI
6-no multiple gun purchases, unless they are pump shotguns or Revolvers.
7-several more questions will be added to the 4473
8-online ammo purchase limited to 1K rounds per trimester, where legal.
9-no National CWL reciprocity.
10-no bump stocks, pistol grips or special “assault” modifications of any kind.
11-no suppressors.
12-CWL must be renewed very 2 years.

1) Nope. I want to be able to hand off a firearm to anyone I wish, including friends and family members, with or without cash changing hands, without that boondoggle.

2) Nope. I enlisted in the US Army at eighteen (technically, at seventeen, going in delayed entry.) There was no intention on their part of withholding my rifle until I was 21. As an adult, I expect ALL constitutionally-protected rights to apply to me.

3) Nope. Everyone wants safer schools, not just gun owners. Everyone pays, not just gun owners. The tobacco taxes were to help with smokers' costs, not mine.

4 and 5) Nope. I'm clear in NICS? I get what I want, especially if I'm holding a card I had to jump through even more hoops to get. And, I still don't know what an "assault rifle" is.

6) Nope. I found two collectibles in a gun shop a couple of months ago, neither of which was a "pump shotgun" or a "revolver." One was a lever rifle and the other an autoloading pistol. Again, if I've been vetted, I should be good to go. Otherwise, why am I vetted?

7) Seriously? What more possible questions could be added that would make a difference? (maybe "Are you currently a jackass?" I'd go for that one.)

8) Nope. Why? Because you can't explain the rationale, and I don't believe in legislating based on "irrationale." Besides, to what would it apply? Even .22LR?

9) Possibly. Not sure what "national reciprocity" would entail, anyway. I don't want it forced on states, but I would love states to adopt it.

10) Nope. "Bump stocks", pistol grips, foregrips, optics, slings, etc. are not "assault modifications." What is, exactly? On whose definition would this be based? If I intend to "assault" someone with a rifle, putting my hand on it is an "assault modification", maybe.

11) Nope. Again, the rationale behind this has not been established. There is no evidence the current ban is solving anything.

12) Nope. My state trusts me for seven. Some trust all their law-abiding citizens indefinitely. This has not been a problem. So, the rationale has not been established (why two, and not one, or three?)

Okay, aside from all the above, I'm totally on board (I think.)

 

[John_R]

several more questions will be added to the 4473

I'd add: "Are you a registered Democrat?" If you check yes, you are disqualified due to mental instability.

 

[Warp]

Things may be complicated for us gun enthusiasts in the next few months.

No.

They won't.

 

[P5 Guy]

Things may be complicated for us gun enthusiasts in the next few months.
1-UBC no exceptions
2-no guns of any kind under 21 yo
3-special tax on guns & ammo to safeguard schools.
4-mandatory National 10 day wait for anything that shoots over 10 rounds. Even with CWL
5-Mandatory 21 day waiting period for “assault” rifles. Pending special investigation by FBI
6-no multiple gun purchases, unless they are pump shotguns or Revolvers.
7-several more questions will be added to the 4473
8-online ammo purchase limited to 1K rounds per trimester, where legal.
9-no National CWL reciprocity.
10-no bump stocks, pistol grips or special “assault” modifications of any kind.
11-no suppressors.
12-CWL must be renewed very 2 years.

Nope not going to allow it . All of those are too restrictive.

 

[George P]

If....IF this turns into a panic, its our fault for not being prepared.

If it turns into a panic it IS our fault for not fighting back and standing up for our side. If you haven't contacted your local/state lawmakers, then do so. Otherwise we WILL lose, and more than just now; we'll lose important seats in the elections too.

 

[BigBore44]

If it turns into a panic it IS our fault for not fighting back and standing up for our side. If you haven't contacted your local/state lawmakers, then do so. Otherwise we WILL lose, and more than just now; we'll lose important seats in the elections too.

I have contacted mine actually. My point was that if there is a panic, I’m prepared. I literally don’t need anything to sustain my current shooting habits for the next 2-3 years. So if there’s a panic, I won’t be contributing to it. I learned my lesson the last time.

 

[PabloJ]

Controlling a country like America is like holding a large handful of soft clay. With a relaxed grip, you can hold the whole thing easily. The more you tighten your grip, the more will slip through your fingers.
"Gun Control" has already been way over-regulated. We already have laws they can't and don't enforce. What are they going to do, write new laws, then suddenly start enforcing them AND all the old laws, too?

It should be up to individual states to determine what gun laws and regulations are needed. For example, why would state like Wyoming or North Dakota need any gun laws at all?