Would you own a 300 Win Mag if you didn't hunt? Details inside, I need your opinion

Varminterror said:
A boatpaddle 300wm? Nah, a better place is the FRONT of my hunting safe. I'd carve some fancy walnut panels, block, bed, and free float the action into it, re-inlet a DBM, drop on a Bartlein 400modbb wrapped in carbon fiber, slap a Nightforce 2.5-20x50mm mil-XT on top, and kill deer, elk, and bear upmountain all over hell and gone!
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.......ya know.........thats nearly the definition of eclectic.....and a REALLY expensive boat paddle:p😁
 
.300 Win will use a ton of hard to find powder (at least in my area). I went with a 6.5 PRC instead of a .300 Win, and it still uses hard to find powder but at least 6.5 bullets are cheaper and it doesn’t kick at all. For a target rifle, I would avoid the 300 Win altogether. The PRC shoots circles around my 308 out past 300 yards and I can keep the target in the scope under recoil.

Edit, I was going to get a Bergara Ridge regardless. The trigger is top notch and the barrel contour is perfect for what I wanted. I love my 308 and it is very easy to find appropriate powder and bullets. That is the main reason I haven’t sold it.
 
Stopsign32v said:
To make a clone of a M24. I won't have the clone scope, I won't have the clone (I will but it will be threaded) barrel, but I want it as close as possible while still not being a $4,226 rifle. "Close enough" will do but having it a short action...Why not a short action and a 6.5...If going short action and 6.5 then why not make it a Bergara instead. Some key features need to be kept in my opinion. Remington, LA, HS stock, M24 contour barrel, M24 mount and rings, M24 style bipod.
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I genuinely don't understand why you're making it so hard, get one of these: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1027560275
And start building all those features with a 308 barrel or in a chambering that makes sense.
Bottom metal too:
 
Stopsign32v said:
If going short action and 6.5 then why not make it a Bergara instead.
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This would be a better plan to have a rifle to learn long range shooting. Better action features than the R700 - the Bergara is much closer to what the R700 should be, as a factory rifle.

Stopsign32v said:
Some key features need to be kept in my opinion. Remington, LA, HS stock, M24 contour barrel, M24 mount and rings, M24 style bipod.
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This is cloning, and some folks DO enjoy cloning, but as I mentioned above, your priorities are contraindicated - an M24 clone in 300wm won't be a good tool for your other desire of learning the craft of LR shooting. There are a lot of M24 clones out there, most folks end up $3,000-5,000 into their clones without optics. Starting with a cheap $500 R700 is a great way to ensure you end up on the higher end of that cost. Even the Army isn't buying M24's any more - they updated to the M2010's over a decade ago, and have since began phasing them out to accept Barrett rifles after the Remington collapse. So where your money goes to create a clone is really up to you, but picking an M24 is really picking outdated designs which have been outmoded, and again, and really isn't going towards something which is terribly beneficial towards the other aspect of your goal.

Lots of folks have classic car projects sitting in their garage, but they don't drive them every day. That'll be your M24 clone. If that's the goal, then just post a question, "how do I build an M24 clone?" or follow the amazing cloning thread over at Sniper's Hide.
 
For targeting only a 6.5cm would be less punishing on the bench and good to 1000+.

The 308 would work at 1000 with 175 grain heavies. It has a tendency to go sub-sonic around 900 yards but heavy high bc bullets don't get as upset when going to subsonic.

300WM in the field hunting and only firing a few rounds a year is fine. Personally I care not to fire one on a bench rest. Even if you hand load you will have to load to what the rifle shoots well and it will not be in the mild recoil range.

Barrel life should always be a factor for long sessions at the bench. The 6.5CM for long range or a 223 for 200 and under would be my top choices. Reloading cost is a factor as well and 223 is hard to beat for reloading cost (brass last a long time, charge is around 22+/- grains, and uses SRP). Think CM brass can be found with SRP pockets also.
 
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I have read some of the responses but there are a lot so forgive me if I repeat a suggestion. Why not stick with the. .308 it will streamline a buying and tumbling brass from the range recoil is much lower. And the biggest reason is it eats 30 grains less powder per trigger squeeze. On top of the fact that I can find multiple powders for the .308 for 35-40$ per pound whereas the H4350 I use in my 7mm Rem Mag is hard to find south of 50$ per pound.
 
So nostalgia trumps practicality up to a point....and there's a dollar sign at that point.... maybe scrap this thread and restart with "Best options to make a cheap m24 (but not a REAL m24) clone.....I'm wanting a long action only please." ???
 
horsey300 said:
So nostalgia trumps practicality up to a point....and there's a dollar sign at that point.... maybe scrap this thread and restart with "Best options to make a cheap m24 (but not a REAL m24) clone.....I'm wanting a long action only please." ???
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Yea, that would be the best option. Thanks everyone for some talking sense into my big block idea.

More than likely I will go with the 30-06 ADL and build from there. The 30-06 will let me have the option of going heavy when I want to and looking at the Hodgedon reloading data the load difference being 168gr between a 308 and 30-06 is 5gr of the same powder.

So more flexibility and the long action I want will only cost me 5gr of powder more per shot.
 
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Stopsign32v said:
Because then I will spend $890 to have a paper weight. Where as I could buy a new Remington 700 ADL for $4xx and enjoy shooting it while I gather other parts.
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You asked how people identify “correct M24 clones.” Using a properly marked receiver is how.

Stopsign32v said:
Got any pics of the action? I've never really looked into how people identify "correct" clone 700 receivers. I guess I like more inspired rather than clones.
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Stopsign32v said:
Got any pics of the action? I've never really looked into how people identify "correct" clone 700 receivers. I guess I like more inspired rather than clones.
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Just Google tactical long range rifles and try to pick the m24 clones from the bergaras, tikkas, savages, rugers, etc etc.
 
If you're just building a clone anyways its not going to have any monetary or historical value as an "M24" - its just a Remington 700 in real life. Personally I'd either electro-chemical etch the "M24" onto the receiver or stamp it. Etching will come out cleaner but requires sourcing a stencil.
 
Stopsign32v said:
More than likely I will go with the 30-06 ADL and build from there. The 30-06 will let me have the option of going heavy when I want to and looking at the Hodgedon reloading data the load difference being 168gr between a 308 and 30-06 is 5gr of the same powder.

So more flexibility and the long action I want will only cost me 5gr of powder more per shot.
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For reference in calculating your roadmap, you’ll be ~$450 into a new bolt if/when you ever try to exercise the “long action option” you’re trying to retain.
 
Stopsign32v said:
I don't think 300 WM will be the route I go.
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M24’s aren’t chambered for .30-06. Swapping to 338LM costs the same price for a new bolt.

You may choose to have the original boltface irreversibly opened, which the last I had done was $250, but that included bushing the FP - which is worth doing while you have the bolt in the fixture to be opened. But it can’t come back to proper 7.62x51 or 30-06 if doing so.
 
Stopsign32v said:
Well son and I want to get into long range shooting. I've always loved a Remington 700 and he wants a 308. If you look back at this thread I made about his choice... https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/best-308-for-600ish.926385/page-2#post-12795680

I was planning on a Ruger, then a Howa, but I've always loved a Remington. So I'm about 98% sure I want to get him a new Timney trigger Remington 700 in 308, which would be a short action. That takes care of him but I still don't have a rifle.

We will be shooting 100 yards and working our way out to 1000 yards eventually and just having fun. Neither of us hunt and outside of shooting at the range, I guess these rifles would be backup for Zombie sniping if the world ever ended and we were left alive. I've always wanted a M24 and was planning to piece together over time a M24 out of a new Remington 700 in 30-06. I reload and will probably never put factory ammo through either of our rifles. I was planning on a 30-06 because I really like 30cal and didn't plan on getting a 308 until my son showed interest. So with that being said, I'll be able to shoot his 700 as well so now I'm rethinking the 30-06 and I've also always wanted a 300 Win Mag. But would this be a stupid move? We won't shoot that much. Realistically, I'm guessing here...500 rounds yearly through each rifle.

I plan to start out cheap and always did and get a 700 ADL, buy a new M24 barrel later, HS stock, etc etc... So between 30-06 and 300 Win Mag, which would you do if you had access to a 308?

P.S. 300 Win Mag is badass
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"Ain't much a man can't fix, with $1,000 and a 30 06!"
 
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