NIGHTLORD40K
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Unless it's rusted solid, or plated in nasty nickel, it's almost certainly worth $1200.
Original finish, all matching, decent condition likely twice that.
Original finish, all matching, decent condition likely twice that.
WW2 Nazi 9mm Luger
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I get it - but it’s an important part of history. Regardless of their aims, the Nazis were a dominant military force in the 20th century.
Carl N. Brown
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I've heard of at least one person who had an "all-matching-numbers" Luger as a collectible and a "non-matching-numbers" Luger to shoot in pistol matches. The non-matching gun was more reliable & accurate (due to being rebuilt) than the all-matching gun (which had internal wear issues).
PWC
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For me, same with AK anything...probably for the same reason.
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Ironic that y'all mentioned the Yamaha 750 that was the only motorcycle I ever happened to own. Wow, brings back memories.
Yeah, if it looks nice, bring twelve $100 bills with you and lay them out on the table while you're talking. Straight-up cash money is hard to resist.
Yeah, if it looks nice, bring twelve $100 bills with you and lay them out on the table while you're talking. Straight-up cash money is hard to resist.
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triplebike
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That is what I'm seeing on this handgun.
Dave DeLaurant
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If it looks functional and the numbers all match, then it's priced in the correct ballpark. You're probably not going to loose money on this deal, unless something deceptive is going on like fake Waffenamt markings or ground and renumbered replacement parts. Those things happen a lot.
When you use the word investment, my advice is to get a good book (or several) on Lugers and try to learn about what pieces are collectible, what are just average and how to distinguish collectible vs. shooters vs. cobbled junkers.
Remember two things:
Millions of Lugers were manufactured
Collecting Lugers is a known minefield
If you'd like to visually peruse a sampling of Lugers to get an idea of the varieties, check out the Luger offerings at Simpson Ltd. Start with DWM production.
simpsonltd.com
When you use the word investment, my advice is to get a good book (or several) on Lugers and try to learn about what pieces are collectible, what are just average and how to distinguish collectible vs. shooters vs. cobbled junkers.
Remember two things:
Millions of Lugers were manufactured
Collecting Lugers is a known minefield
If you'd like to visually peruse a sampling of Lugers to get an idea of the varieties, check out the Luger offerings at Simpson Ltd. Start with DWM production.
Lugers - DWM - Page 1 - Simpson Ltd
simpsonltd.com
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Jim Watson
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And as one wit observed, a Luger collector will consider each and every one a separate and distinct "model."
As a side bar, Ruger was inspired by the Nambu to make a small 22 LR semi. However, he thought it was too 'conceable' and it was never produced. The company didn't move into the CCW market until later.
Not a fan of collecting Nazi stuff unless it was a legit capture war souvenir by you or your relatives.
Not a fan of collecting Nazi stuff unless it was a legit capture war souvenir by you or your relatives.
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Shooter commercial lugers in .30 luger are starting at $1200-$1500. I'd expect a wartime luger in 9mm with any kind of condition to go for at least $2k. Parts matching, matching mags, holsters, etc...now you are talking serious coin.
Speedo66
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The only real rocket triple would be a BSA.
The only WWII German army marks I’ve seen on Lugers have been something that looks like the wings of a WWI triplane, never a swastika.
The only WWII German army marks I’ve seen on Lugers have been something that looks like the wings of a WWI triplane, never a swastika.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Depends on the stamp. Some Waffenamts have a tiny swastika at the base of the eagle's claws, some don't. Many times its so small, you can't really see it without magnification.
My Luger is pre WW2 vintage, but one of magazines has a waffenamt on the aluminum baseplate with a swastika. Ive debated removing it or replacing the baseplate wih a repro wooden one. Still might.
They are quite a bit larger on my Radom, and it would require major grinding to remove those. They are part of the gun's story, though, and erasing history also erases the lessons to be learned from it.
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Carl N. Brown
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Definitely Bill Ruger replicated two Nambu pistols before designing the Ruger Standard Model of 1949. Looking at and hefting a Ruger, a Nambu and a Luger side by side, the Ruger replicates the grip & feel and the thumb safety placement of the Luger and uilizes the reciporcating bolt inside a receiver design of the Nambu (also used by the Lahti L-35 and the Mauser C96). Ruger differs from the Luger and Nambu in using a frame stamped as two sides welded together hooked into a tubular receiver.
I have the 1940 42 code Luger all matching including mags. She also has the holster that my Dad brought home with it in 45. Model,matching numbers and condition dictate prices. There is also the old "What somebody is willing to pay" deal to go go with that. In all the years since he brought it back it was shot maybe twice. Shooting original matching number Lugers is a gamble. Break one of those parts and the value just took a huge nose dive. Kind of like shooting nice original parts and finish 1911s.
Mine maxed out at 112, but would get there real quick. It was a bad motor scooter.
theotherwaldo
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I've finally overcome my refusal to accept anything that has NaZi markings on it.
I'm buying a High Power with a Waffenamt acceptance stamp.
Nevertheless, I'm still looking for a non - NaZi - marked Luger in 9mm P to pick up in the near future.
There are a lot of them out there and the prices are pretty similar... .
I'm buying a High Power with a Waffenamt acceptance stamp.
Nevertheless, I'm still looking for a non - NaZi - marked Luger in 9mm P to pick up in the near future.
There are a lot of them out there and the prices are pretty similar... .
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I perfer an American Eagle Luger … Look at that seal!!! Tattoo it on my forehead
theotherwaldo
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By the way, I heard that there was a unique form of work slow-down involved in the wartime manufacture of the High Power.
Reportedly, the workers adopted increasingly finicky standards of manufacture of these weapons, slowing down the production line tremendously.
This resulted in wonderful, high quality weapons - but far fewer of them were thus provided to arm the NaZis... .
Reportedly, the workers adopted increasingly finicky standards of manufacture of these weapons, slowing down the production line tremendously.
This resulted in wonderful, high quality weapons - but far fewer of them were thus provided to arm the NaZis... .
Please, let's not introduce wokism and cancel culture into guns too. The guns with their acceptance marks, whatever type they are, are pieces of history to be preserved and passed down. At this rate where do we want to go? When starts the campaign to boycott German vehicles and planes from the Second World War in modelling? Then it's on to the Russian guns right? Soon we will see the disclaimers in the sales tags of these weapons with the suggestion: if you want you can have the waffenamts milled away.
theotherwaldo
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I just don't want my Polish, Jewish, French, Dutch, etc ancestors to come back and haunt me.
My WWI German, Turkish, USSR, etc. artifacts are bad enough... .
My WWI German, Turkish, USSR, etc. artifacts are bad enough... .
