WWB "self-defense" ammo

[rellascout]

The WWB .45 JHPs can be bought for $30+/-2 per pack of 50 alternatives can be frighteningly expensive.

Which is why I typically buy in bulk.

45 ACP 230gr 45 ACP AUTO Winchester Ranger T series 230gr RA45T $264.95 + $15 shipping. http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500rds-45-acp-auto-winchester-ranger-t-series-230gr-ra45t

45 ACP 230grGold Dots run $26.49 a box ship reasonable shipping if you buy 10 boxes. http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer...er-gold-dot-230-grain-hollow-point-ammo-53966.

9mm 124gr +p Dot dots are $249 per 500 they gos down to $224 if you get 1000. http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/500rds-9mm-speer-gold-dot-124-p-le-hollow-point

9mm SXT Winchester Ranger 147 grain Ammo T-series ZRA9SXTC for $199. for 500 http://www.sgammo.com/product/winch...ester-ranger-147-grain-ammo-t-series-zra9sxtc

 

[918v]

Bullet technology as far as HPs are concerned are leaps and bounds what it was 10 years ago.

Bullet jacket technology has not changed at all in the last 10 years. If you take apart a WWB JHP projectile you'll find it is not different than a "premium" Hornady XTP.

 

[rellascout]

Bullet jacket technology has not changed at all in the last 10 years. If you take apart a WWB JHP projectile you'll find it is not different than a "premium" Hornady XTP.

Should have said 20 years LOL. Either way my point stands. Most JHP these days will get the job done.

 

[DenaliPark]

Winchester(WWB)USA9JHP 115 gr JHP's, are rated by the factory as ballistically identical to the 115 gr silvertip hollowpoint, thats if you happen to like the lightweight 9mm loads...In fact, they are identical, its even the same bullet sans the alloy jacketing....

 

[KBintheSLC]

I have no problem with using the 147g WWB JHP's for self defense. They are reliable, accurate, and have enough power without being excessive.

 

[KevinB]

The centerfire ammo from major US manufacturers is so reliable now that any dud problems are most likely fault of the firearm.....

I've had several failures to fire with WWB ammo in both 9mm and .45 acp. I've never bothered to keep count, but it's frequent enough that I expect a dud round for every bulk-pack or so. I also come across more than one "deformed" round in the 9mm bulk-pack as well. The last one I found had the brass kinked in the middle so much it was almost folded in half. I'm sure the failures I've had were not the fault of the firearm as they've occured in different platforms and different calibers, and no problems with other brands of ammo. I've shot with friends who have had the same issues. I've always just assumed these were normal experiences for all, and that this was expected for a "budget" ammo.

 

[DenaliPark]

The centerfire ammo from major US manufacturers is so reliable now that any dud problems are most likely fault of the firearm.....with inexpensive bricks of .22lr it is different.

Absolute, total, BS!

 

[Ledgehammer]

If they feed reliably and you have tested to some degree their expansion I see no reason not to use them.

I don't know guys - I've heard the WWB jhp cheapies don't expand all that well. A fellow on YouTube did a backyard test on it and let's just say less than impressive. I believe his YouTube name is TNoutdoors. I bought a box a while back and ended just practicing with them. For SD I carry Winchester pdx 124 JHP

 

[ColtPythonElite]

I have no problems using bulk ammo, classic ammo, "regular" ammo or whatever you want to call it in a defensive gun. Sure, I'd likely pick a JHP over ball for most applications. However, I don't think that your are under prepared just because you don't choose a high dollar "defensive" ammo that comes in a box of 20 at well over a buck a round. A well placed shot with nearly any centerfire handgun will do the job. If it doesn't it's time for a failure drill.

 

[iblong]

I've actually heard its expands fairly well,I would not have a problem using them in my 1911 but then again I would'nt have a problem using a cast LSWC
in 45 cal. in a pinch.In a 9 Id want to test them.

 

[Ledgehammer]

I've actually heard its expands fairly well

Who told you that? There's a reason it's $10 cheaper than other JHP Self Defense loads,. Check out this vidya and tell me if it at least doesn't make you doubt it's expansion a little bit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45AQwzqaas

 

[Sheepdog1968]

I've shot probably on the order of 10,000 rounds of WWB between a 9 mm and a 45 ACP. It has always gone bang. From a reliablity perspective, it is fine.

 

[rscalzo]

While much of Winchester's ammo comes in a white box, it's not all equal. The ammo number tells more than the color of the box. The bulk loaded cheaper line of WW has caused a few problems in my handguns, a friends and during some of our NRA handgun courses. We have had a few problems.

While it is used as a training ammo only, it isn't a big issue. I just have a feeling that the bulk loaded rounds do not get the care the higher priced loads receive. The USA line has sevral rounds in FMJ. I biught thousands of rounds for departmental training and the "part number" is not the same as the Walmart standard.

I have no problem using it in training scenarios, but I would not use it in a professional or self defense scenario. That isn't the place to go cheap.

 

[blackspyder]

I moved away from WWB strictly because buying in bulk is better then 100 round packs of FMJ's. For SD I soot Hornaday XTP's the extra $ per 50 isnt so bad if you don't go through mass amounts of them per year and I shoot my SD stuff up only once ever 6 months or so.

Never misfired with WWB.

 

[DenaliPark]

WWB will expand just fine....

These rounds all were fired into a wet phone book, left to right are a WWB 125 gr JHP .38 special +P, 180 gr JHP .40 S&W, and a Speer gold dot 135 gr .38 special +P which failed to really expand, rather it deformed itself....

 

[KevinB]

While it is used as a training ammo only, it isn't a big issue. I just have a feeling that the bulk loaded rounds do not get the care the higher priced loads receive.

I also wonder if this isn't the case. I couldn't say with absolute certainty, but I would say most, if not all of my issues were from the bulk-packs. Also, FWIW this has always been with the FMJ, not hollowpoint rounds.

 

[wow6599]

WWB JHP "Personal Defense" I ran across at my last trip to WM -

.357 Mag, .38 Spl, .45 ACP and they may have had 9 and 40 as well. I've shot a lot of the 110 gr .357 JHP and .45 ACP JHP.........never a problem.

 

[wow6599]

Here is the list of WWB JHP - http://www.winchester.com/Products/handgun-ammunition/usa/jhp/Pages/default.aspx

 

[rellascout]

Again unless you cannot afford to buy in bulk which I know a lot of us cannot why would you pay $32 a box for WWB 45 ACP of even 9mm at $15?

45 ACP 230gr 45 ACP AUTO Winchester Ranger T series 230gr RA45T $264.95 + $15 shipping. http://www.sgammo.com/product/winchester/500rds-45-acp-auto-winchester-ranger-t-series-230gr-ra45t

45 ACP 230grGold Dots run $26.49 a box ship reasonable shipping if you buy 10 boxes. http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer...er-gold-dot-230-grain-hollow-point-ammo-53966.

9mm 124gr +p Dot dots are $249 per 500 they gos down to $224 if you get 1000. http://www.sgammo.com/product/speer/500rds-9mm-speer-gold-dot-124-p-le-hollow-point

9mm SXT Winchester Ranger 147 grain Ammo T-series ZRA9SXTC for $199. for 500 http://www.sgammo.com/product/winch...ester-ranger-147-grain-ammo-t-series-zra9sxtc

 

[DenaliPark]

I agree^^^...However the point is that WWB is perfectly appropriate for defensive use if you so choose to use it....

 

[Ledgehammer]

Well you might as well load up with some federal fmj too. It has been tested and the wwb doesn't expand like a jhp should. It's reliable as any ammo I've shot but for sd I want expansion.

 

[DenaliPark]

Well you might as well load up with some federal fmj too. It has been tested and the wwb doesn't expand like a jhp should. It's reliable as any ammo I've shot but for sd I want expansion.

"Ahh" my post above clearly shows that it does! More importantly, all hollowpoint ammo, all of it, is subject to failure....Hollowpoints are not magic, they fail as often as not!

 

[Fisherdave10]

That's what I use. 9mm 147g JHP. I have not seen side by side comparisons that make me want to change ammo or caliber. My self defense ammo and mags get "tested" every time I go shooting.

WWB 9mm 147gr JHP test by TNoutdoors9 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45AQwzqaas

Retest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptdL842BAqo&feature=channel

Affordable, practical SHTF and practice ammo? YES.
Something I would normally carry for self defense? NO.
Really, the only 147gr load I would consider carrying right now is the Federal HST. The same guy did some tests with that load and it did very well.

 

[FCastle88]

"Ahh" my post above clearly shows that it does! More importantly, all hollowpoint ammo, all of it, is subject to failure....Hollowpoints are not magic, they fail as often as not!

Yes, any hollowpoint can fail, but some do so more often than others. It's like buying a car, any car can break down, but you look for a model that is less likely to have problems. I've shot the WWB 147 gr JHP, and it had noticeably less recoil than 147 gr Gold Dots, causing me to believe that it's a bit underpowered. I've also had WWB FMJ that the bullets weren't seated properly, and some that had significantly less recoil than the rest of the rounds in the box, so I'm not comfortable carrying any WWB ammo. My safety is well worth paying $30 for a 50 pack of Gold Dots or HST once or twice a year.

 

[NMGonzo]

Whatever cycles your gun.