You probably shouldn't "assume" that I didn't read the entire thread before I posted, I did, but I believe that the quoted comment is a symptom of the real problem, and I really don't care whether others have discussed what I am implying or not. I wanted to stress that the lack of teaching personal responsibility is far more detrimental to our society than anything else. If you don't like that, well bully for you.
Further more I didn't miss your point, I just don't think your point is that important. We are not going to change the antis PoV, and honestly the whole idea that we can has proven to be foolish. Even further more I don't really care what you give or don't give a rat turd about either. I guess what I love about the idea or what America was and what it could still be is that we are not required to think or believe as others do.