Zumbo Letter to CCRKBA

[ArfinGreebly]

Veracity?

Gewehr98,

Any way to verify the veracity of that email?

If it were genuine, it would (in the absence of other evidence) indicate to me that the conversation Zumbo had with the Remington dude (the one he talked to while hunting with their newest whiz-bang Rem rifle) entailed something more than just the mention of people hunting with AR-styled rifles.

A little brandy/scotch/bourbon, a conversation beginning with
"When I was your age, sonny"
leading to the mention of large numbers of AR hunter dudes, leading to
"That's outrageous! I'm gonna write a scathing blog entry about that!"
followed by,
"Jim, I think that's a bad idea; better sleep on it."
and finally,
"No way! I'm pissed!"​

Anyone who respects the [strike]law[/strike] blog or loves sausage should never watch either one being made.

 

[Dan from MI]

I'll take Jim Zumbo at his word here and see what his actions are in the future.

 

[Gewehr98]

Arfin, you're not the first to doubt the authenticity of that email...

The recipient posted it here:

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=459780

I have no reason to question Brad's, as well as Tommy Milner's, credibility.

Zumbo was told not to engage foot in mouth, but did anyway. So you'll forgive me if I question the effectiveness and speed of his current "revelation", as well as his true motives for preaching the born-again Gospel. To me, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Jim Zumbo belongs in the dustbin of history next to Vidkun Quisling, and my 2A money, letters, and efforts go towards better and more deserving spokespersons.

 

[Kentak]

If Zumbo follows through with his pledge to help educate the hunting fraternity about the importance of RKBA for all kinds of guns and all kinds of shooters, then I can accept his rehabilitation and welcome him back to the fold.

There seems little to be gained by doing otherwise.

Before this whole event happened, I was unfamiliar with the label "fudd." Whether or not you feel some deserve that slur, I would hope we take the high road and refrain from anything that tends to fragment or denigrate shooters' solidarity.

K

 

[Gewehr98]

I don't consider it a "slur".

Before this whole event happened, I was unfamiliar with the label "fudd." Whether or not you feel some deserve that slur, I would hope we take the high road and refrain from anything that tends to fragment or denigrate shooters' solidarity.

If one doesn't like "Fudd" as a term to describe gunowners willing to throw other gunowners under the bus to save their walnut and blued steel "hunting" firearms, then perhaps "Quisling" would be more PC?

I'm all for giving a guy a second chance when he's made an honest mistake or was simply uneducated. This strikes me as neither (especially after I read that he was advised not to make the original blog entry), and even I'm not dumb enough to try to teach that pig to sing.

"Fudd", btw, existed as a term long before Zumbo contracted foot-in-mouth disease. Check the threads at ARFCOM for the history.

 

[Dave Workman]

So, we need to educate hunters by sponsoring slots on the outdoor channel, or even getting a few lines put into the hard-core FUDD rags like Outdoor Life. Outdoor writers and all others who have an audience with FUDDs likewise should try to educate them.

Well, Houston, we have a problem.

I've been monitoring this thread and participating to a small degree, but now I must speak as an observer.

I have seen countless posts from righteously (and justifiably) offended EBR owners using the term "Fudd." They do so in a derogatory tone. That's got to cease, right now.

If we continue looking down our noses at one another for this difference or that slight, we will be right where the anti-gunners want us. The challenge is not to insult one another but to EDUCATE one another.

Of course, insulting somebody is easier, especially from the cover of an internet handle. I don't use an Internet handle, just my name.

Nobody ever said defending gun rights is supposed to be easy, but some of you guys are making it near impossible to portray gun owners as a united community of level-headed people all working for the common good of defending the Second Amendment.

As for the folks who have their minds set in concrete that the Second Amendment has something to do with hunting and "sporting purposess," do yourselves a favor in the blood pressure department and just ignore them. Work around them. They do not represent you, and it is pretty easy to make that clear to anyone listening to them.

They're like the sibling you allow in the house during the holidays because, after all, they are part of the family. Nobody is asking you to let them move into that spare room, but I believe it is time to ratchet down the rhetoric a few degrees.

As for Zumbo...give him his head and let HIM work on these folks. They listen to him. He "speaks their language." Maybe this whole episode will have the ultimate benefit of giving Zumbo the bully pulpit to convert that segment of the family and bring 'em back to the fold.

I have a sneaking hunch he really will become the Brady Bunch's "worst nightmare." After all, what's he got to lose at this point, eh?

We do the enemy's work by denigrating one another. Adopt the NATO doctrine: Attack one of us, fight all of us.

 

[bogie]

Okay, Dave... Can we call 'em Elmers?

(grin, okay?)

Oh, and I was born in Cincy, but can't spell it without checking something...

Fact is, we've got about 100,000,000 gun owners in this country, right?

And 3,000,000 NRA members.

Now, I'm not fancy rocket scientist, but I'm seeing about 97,000,000 folks who need to be reached. A large portion of 'em are probably "Fouled Up Deer Deputies" or whatever... Damn, but I'm tired... Jen had a stent put in on Tuesday morning, from lower esophagus to upper upper intestine, and it's giving her fits, and I am just taking a break...

So...

I think the term is a descriptive of part of the problem - the "part time" gun person needs to be reached.

Heck, I usually just call 'em "Bubba," and try to go to a different part of the range. Behind cover.

 

[ilcylic]

I'm in. I just read today that 1022 has a dozen co-sponsors now. It's not the Vanderbilt Fortune or anything, but I'm going to spread about $250 around tomorrow. I think keeping my 2A without having to fight the 'hard fight' for it would be easily worth a half week's pay. JPFO, CCRKBA, GOA, NRA, TLA, OMGWTFBBQ, etc.

 

[bogie]

Write to all your congresscritters, and heck, even to folks who may run against 'em...

For Republicans, shoot 'em your standard note - don't make it too long tho - their minions don't care about the historical implications, all that other fun stuff that gun nuts seem to go in for.

For Democrats, basically tell 'em "Hey, brother, I hope that we ignore this stuff for a while, because it cost us big time in some previous elections when we hacked off the hunters." Object is for it NOT to get tossed as being an unwinnable vote.