Zumbo Letter to CCRKBA

[donkee]

How many of us don't hunt, but still support the hunting cause? I know I do and feel sold out when the fudds pull their elitist stuff? Just a stab in the back by a bunch of selfish fudds.

That said, if Mr. Zumbo sticks to his guns and starts supporting all of the gun owners in this country, not just the fudds, then he'll have my support too. A good first effort have been shown, if he keeps it up, all will be forgiven.....

Remember fudds, if we non-hunters loose our guns, odds are we won't support you anymore since we will no longer have anything to loose. It should be one for all and all for one.....

 

[Professor K]

Looks like Zumbo's been reading THR.

 

[Svolich]

Yeah...

Quote:

I don't have any reason to support hunters

Really? I mean....... really?
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Yeah, really.

I'm mostly vegitarian - as a practical matter, not a philosophical decision. I've never eaten anything that's been hunted, it's never been offered to me. My food is made in factories - OK, you can call them farms if you like.

If there were no hunting allowed anywhere in the world, it would not impact my life in any way.

Think of some human activity that doesn't have anything to do with you. Like - do you watch Curling (you know, sliding the rock across the ice, and using brooms ahead of it?) No? would it impact your life if it were gone? That's what hunting is for me. It may be a part of your life, it's not part of mine.

But I think people should be free to slide rocks across the ice if they want.

I do supporting hunters. And I think we're in this fight together.

 

[XavierBreath]

I cannot forgive Jim Zumbo's words. I do not think his words should be forgiven, or forgotten.

Jim Zumbo has, however, earned my respect, and I wish him well.

 

[meef]

Seems to me that Zumbo is doing the right thing and showing what I would expect to see, contrition wise. Now is indeed the time to forgive and NOT forget and put some support behind him. He's walking the right path, let's give him a positive nudge.

Well heck, it seems he's already had a positive Nuge.

 

[carpettbaggerr]

Any damage that Zumbo did to the cause of firearms rights is dwarfed by the horrible impression made by many in the gun rights community. The explosive reaction to Zumbo's statement simply confirmed the opinion of many people that gun owners are irrational extremists who keep their hatred on a hair trigger. To cast out a long-time supporter and ruin his career over a single episode was a wild overreaction.

Those who think all gunowners are irrational extremists need no confirmation of their beliefs.

The treatment Zumbo received is similar to what would happen if Norm Siegel started advocating burning books, as long as they were books on explosives, bombmaking, and terrorism.

And well deserved, too. Seems Brother Zumbo has seen the light now, though. I hope he can make a difference by preaching to those who believe hunting will shield their guns from legislation.

Hunting is a sport, a recreation, a managed and permitted activity, not a right.

The right to own a gun is protected; the right to protect oneself with it is likewise protected.

The right to hunt with it is not.

Sure it is. It's one of those pesky unenumerated rights, secured by the 9th amendment. Just because it isn't mentioned by name, doesn't mean it isn't a right. Just like driving. Or smoking. Or eating too much, or staying up too late. It's not a privilege (as many would have you believe) but your right as an American.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

 

[HuntCast]

If there were no hunting allowed anywhere in the world, it would not impact my life in any way.

Other than the fact that within 1 week of the ban on hunting, your guns would be gone. Ask Australia how its working out.
If they don't want hunters to have guns, you damn well know they won't have any qualms about your "not needing" them.

The RKBA has nothing to do with hunting, but hunting is a buffer between ALL gun owners and people who can't/won't understand the constitution.

 

[RocketMan]

I don't think that Zumbo's career was ruined. I think that it _was_ turned in a completely different direction.

And we'll be better for it.

Bogie is on target, again.
Zumbo made a huge mistake. But big mistakes sometimes cause bigger epiphanies. Time will tell, and I'm willing to give Zumbo that time.
I have a hunch he will earn our respect and become one of our staunchest advocates in defense of the 2nd Amendment.

 

[BB62]

Dave Workman - I checked the CCRKBA website, and although I found no Zumbo story, I did find that they cannot (MULTIPLE TIMES) manage to spell the name CINCINNATI correctly. It makes them look ignorant.

It is not CiNNcinnati, but CiNcinnati.

Contact your buddy Alan G. and get him to correct not only the website, but also the PDF files referring to the event in Cincinnati later this year, will you?


Thanks,
BB62

 

[Guntalk]

Well, I can understand it. I can't spell worth a flip. If I look up a word, I'll need to look it up 10 minutes later.

As a result, I tend to be pretty understanding about spelling errors.

Besides, does anyone really care about Cinncinattiiee?

<grin>

 

[ctdonath]

Zumbo got the point. Glad to hear it.

 

[hso]

We may not forgive him or forget what he said, but a reformed Zumbo is someone that we can make common cause with if he's willing to work with the firearms community that he's most familiar with to raise allies for the 2A.

Think of it this way. The lepper that is converted and healed is more effective at teaching the truth to his former fellows than the squeeky clean idealogue who never spoke to them before. If Zumbo is going to educate hunters to the danger from the gun control proponents we should help as much as possible. Sure, never forget, perhaps never forgive, but don't throw the opportunity to get converts away for his past sins.

 

[4v50 Gary]

Rich Lucibella once said...

Think twice, post once. I sincerely hope that Zumbo learned his lesson.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

carpettbaggerr

Hunting is a sport, a recreation, a managed and permitted activity, not a right.

The right to own a gun is protected; the right to protect oneself with it is likewise protected.

The right to hunt with it is not.

Sure it is. It's one of those pesky unenumerated rights, secured by the 9th amendment. Just because it isn't mentioned by name, doesn't mean it isn't a right. Just like driving. Or smoking. Or eating too much, or staying up too late. It's not a privilege (as many would have you believe) but your right as an American.

Excellent point.

I stand corrected.

While the right to hunt is not enumerated, it is nonetheless part of the human heritage.

It is arguably a natural right -- though not one of the normally "attributed" rights. Rights are often expressed as "what no one may prevent you from doing" and less often as "what you may do as long as you don't encroach upon another's."

In the context of the Second Amendment, however, it is a mistake to intrude hunting into the discussion, in the same way it would be a mistake to intrude plinking and target shooting.

The (enumerated) right is the keep and bear arms, not to do any particular thing with them.

Thanks for the additional clarity.

 

[swingset]

I've been incredibly hard on Zumbo (and Tom, and the Nuge), but I'll say this. If Zumbo's saying the right things - even if deep down he isn't a believer, it's just as good as if he were.

He's not a politician, he can't enact laws, or make bans. His sole power is through his words. So, if those words are now the kind that educate and stand against the anti-gunners, then it's mission accomplished.

I'll always have a hard time believing that he didn't know a good deal more about this issue before he spouted off, or that his real regret is speaking and not thinking what he did, but if he's pointed in the right direction and keeps moving that way, I'll let my vitriol go....and that's quite a leap. I love my focused rage.

 

[beaucoup ammo]

CCRKBA must have done a mass mailing, as I've just received my first correspondence from them.

Yes, I'm sending them $50 today. It takes money to wage a war..and this is just that..war. As one voice in the wilderness, I urge my fellow Pro RKBA Americans to send what you can to this reputable organization.

The "Anti's" have money brought in on pallets. We have to generate financial support for our rights under the Constitution. That's a sad fact..but true.

 

[Outlaw Man]

If there were no hunting allowed anywhere in the world, it would not impact my life in any way.

Off topic, but it actually could impact your life. Hunters do a great job of preventing overpopulation and reducing the number of feral animals that greatly endanger the farm animals and vegitation you depend on for survival.


On topic, I hope Zumbo really has seen the light. He could be one of our biggest allies.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Besides, does anyone really care about Cinncinattiiee?

Probably not.

For me, Zumbo has now said exactly what I needed to hear. I don't think he'll forget it any time soon. Wish I could say the same about many elected ones.

 

[buzz_knox]

Think twice, post once. I sincerely hope that Zumbo learned his lesson.

Now that Zumbo seems to be coming around, I wonder if he'd be willing to shed some light on the statement attributed to Remington's CEO on www.archerytalk.com that Zumbo was counseled not to post what he did, and proceeded to do it anyway.

If true, it could shed some light on his original thought processes, the real reason behind the use of the word "terrorist," and how far he has come.

 

[buzz_knox]

I hope the Bradys continue to quote his old Blog until they get busted publicly and drawn into an open debate.

Their craziness can't survive public scrutiny.

Actually, it can. They'll simply argue that Zumbo "changed his mind" to protect his career. Zumbo's initial blog and the subsequent events can be used to impeach his credibility on the issue, just as with any witness who recants.

The key for Zumbo is to truly walk the walk, and go way beyond letters. His epiphany must be supported by constant demonstrations that it is real. He has to show that the economic duress is still under (and which was demonstrated by the timing of his apologies) plays no role in how he currently believes. If after a couple of years of saying the same thing he's saying now but without the endorsement deals, free hunts, etc., then you'll see credibility restored in the eyes of those who need to hear what he's saying now message.

 

[waterhouse]

I see Zumbo as a success case. I know a couple hunters who don't see any need for Ar-15s. They don't mind that I own them, and aren't against anyone owning them, they just see them as useless. There are plenty of people out there who think like Zumbo did, but I honestly believe he came around. Hopefully the publicity of this case will help educate others.

 

[lance22]

Was a Good Reminder

I found it disturbing that in Zumbo's letter, he mentioned that he recieved a great deal of SUPPORT email, stating that he was right and had no need to apologize.

I think WE are the one's who needed the wake-up call. There has been this underlying presumption that all gun owners, especially hunters are pro 2A. Now, we find out that Field n Stream pretty much has Brady doctrine as their official statment.

So, we need to educate hunters by sponsoring slots on the outdoor channel, or even getting a few lines put into the hard-core FUDD rags like Outdoor Life. Outdoor writers and all others who have an audience with FUDDs likewise should try to educate them.

 

[Svolich]

Originally Posted by Svolich
If there were no hunting allowed anywhere in the world, it would not impact my life in any way.

Off topic, but it actually could impact your life. Hunters do a great job of preventing overpopulation and reducing the number of feral animals that greatly endanger the farm animals and vegitation you depend on for survival.


On topic, I hope Zumbo really has seen the light. He could be one of our biggest allies.

I suspect that poisons and traps - if they were politically allowable - would do as much as hunting.

And the government would always allow for professionals to keep the economy going. A friend of mine works for vector control. He can go anywhere in Los Angeles county and shoot birds, his weapon of choice is a .410 Remington 1100. He has literally shot pigeons in the middle of the civic center in downtown LA, and Seagulls at the Santa Monica pier, so he can check them for encephalitis. But I don't really think of that as hunting - that's more like culling.

And I agree, I hope Zumbo has seen the light, and this isn't just a desperate attempt to get his sponsors back. If he walks the walk it will be good for the cause. But I hope someone else takes his place, professionally, there are plenty of people who deserve their at making a living as a writer.

 

[Gewehr98]

Buzz, it does offer a different insight into the whole thing, doesn't it?

 

[Bainx]

Any damage that Zumbo did to the cause of firearms rights is dwarfed by the horrible impression made by many in the gun rights community. The explosive reaction to Zumbo's statement simply confirmed the opinion of many people that gun owners are irrational extremists who keep their hatred on a hair trigger. To cast out a long-time supporter and ruin his career over a single episode was a wild overreaction.

Do we need to sound the "Troll Alert"?

Tell you what hoss, if we don't become absolutely militant about certain issues, we will lose this thing for sure!

As for him being a "long-time supporter", I am calling pure B.S.

I am sick of being demonized for owning guns
I am tired of being demonized for owning guns
I am sick and tired of being demonized for owning guns
I am sick and tired and resent being demonized for owning guns

The next person in my sight who insinuates I am some sort of criminal for owning guns will get
a punch in the face, period.
If that gets your panties in a wad, I'm glad