Zumbo shooting with Nugent
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) fornicate the canine on occasion.bogie
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That rifle has one of those "charging handles that stick out the left" dealies... I've been thinking of getting one for a flattop I've got, since the scope gets in the way of the stock one.
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Now, guys, if you're still angry, take a moment, and think. Surely you've gotten angry at your kids, right? And you tanned their little butts, and they learned not to do whatever it was that they did, and it was over, and then you sat 'em down and made sure they ate their dinner.
You did NOT spank the kids until they died.
Well, Zumbo's been spanked. And it's time for dinner.
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Now, guys, if you're still angry, take a moment, and think. Surely you've gotten angry at your kids, right? And you tanned their little butts, and they learned not to do whatever it was that they did, and it was over, and then you sat 'em down and made sure they ate their dinner.
You did NOT spank the kids until they died.
Well, Zumbo's been spanked. And it's time for dinner.
Hate to be off topic, or beat that poor dead horse more but this has to be said.
At the Maryland Assault Weapon Ban Hearing today, guess who's name the Bradys invoked and sang as gospel? Yup, the rantings of Jim Zumbo.
Dead or not, that horse is still covering a lot of miles.
At the Maryland Assault Weapon Ban Hearing today, guess who's name the Bradys invoked and sang as gospel? Yup, the rantings of Jim Zumbo.
Dead or not, that horse is still covering a lot of miles.
Remember, none of us has to make a decision right this very moment about forgiving Mr. Zumbo. Some could do it with his second post, some might take a couple of years, some probably
_________________________________________________________________ forgive maybe,forget never
_________________________________________________________________ forgive maybe,forget never
bogie
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Converting 20 politicians?
What you are _really_ saying is "when Hitler ice skates."
Fine.
Essentially you are passing on what we call the "damage control" phase, and saying that you'd rather have the damage. In fact, you _like_ the damage. No sense in fixing it. That'd just take EFFORT, and maybe a little thought. It's just so much more fun BITCHING about the damage.
Forgiveness is necessary.
What you are _really_ saying is "when Hitler ice skates."
Fine.
Essentially you are passing on what we call the "damage control" phase, and saying that you'd rather have the damage. In fact, you _like_ the damage. No sense in fixing it. That'd just take EFFORT, and maybe a little thought. It's just so much more fun BITCHING about the damage.
Forgiveness is necessary.
A Serious Reaction and Rationale
Forgiveness comes with action, not with words. When Zumbo undoes the damage that he has caused, I will forgive. Until he backs words with deeds, I see no cause to forgive. The damage I see is in Washington. My offer is sound and it is reasonable. He, as those in Washington, are ill-advised...uninformed and unfounded in their irrational fear of black firearms.
At the very worst, I hold out hope that he can undo the deeds that he has done, and that he might be willing to do so. Factor in too, that as rank and prestige rise, so does responsibility. He has a national audience. He has national standing, and so too, he must seek to repair the errant deed at the national level, not merely at the word-level of one person to another. He potentially damaged the national standing of the Constitution and the RKBA. It is at that level that I hold him responsible to rectifying the damages that he has caused.
But, at least I hold an open mind to observe with what deeds he backs his words.
Doc2005
Forgiveness comes with action, not with words. When Zumbo undoes the damage that he has caused, I will forgive. Until he backs words with deeds, I see no cause to forgive. The damage I see is in Washington. My offer is sound and it is reasonable. He, as those in Washington, are ill-advised...uninformed and unfounded in their irrational fear of black firearms.
At the very worst, I hold out hope that he can undo the deeds that he has done, and that he might be willing to do so. Factor in too, that as rank and prestige rise, so does responsibility. He has a national audience. He has national standing, and so too, he must seek to repair the errant deed at the national level, not merely at the word-level of one person to another. He potentially damaged the national standing of the Constitution and the RKBA. It is at that level that I hold him responsible to rectifying the damages that he has caused.
But, at least I hold an open mind to observe with what deeds he backs his words.
Doc2005
It's our job to make absolutely SURE that our representatives in congress (state gov. as well KNOW that Jim Zumbo has recanted when only half the story is told.
Sure, we can say it is HIS responsibility and I DO believe he needs to make his recanting as PUBLIC as possible. But that DOES NOT absolve us from our DUTY to insure that the anti's arguements are met with the truth. And it doesn't help their cause when they are seen to DILIBERATELY tell half-truths (complicated description for a *LIE*).
The load he must carry for redemption in no way requires him to carry our responsibilites also. (And I am not addressing anyone with this-- or should I say I am addressing each and every one of us-- including myself.)
John
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Good start. I wish him well & I believe he is trying. Would those with their knickers still in a knot rather see him in a photo op with Sarah Brady? I think not! Carry on and "Thanks" Ted! Like my Pappy said, "Don't go through life p***ed-off. Say your piece, do what you need to do, then move on. You need to get glad in the same pants you got mad in, or you'll go through this world extremely uncomfortable."
Okay. Logic dictates the following:
His initial blog was his true feeling on the subject, including the decision to refer to these as terrorist rifles.
He only changed his tune when he saw the tide turning against him.
He is desperate to get back his endorsements deals, his privileges, etc.
He will seek any opportunity and say whatever his necessary to regain his chosen lifestyle.
His rapid change of story does not refect a sudden revelation of the true nature of the 2nd Amendment, but only a desire to save his commercial posterior.
Those hunters, the Fudds, who agree with him will see him as a victim who is saying what he has to do get his career back. They will, of course, be right insofar as his motivation is concerned. His rehabilitation will only further aggravate them.
Soon enough, he will get his career back, and will be more circumspect in revealing his true feelings. He can do so by ending his SWAT article with a few sentences along the lines of "I was wrong. These weapons are good for hunting, if you are hunting people." That will be a true statement, and one either side can spin the way they want it spun.
The ironic thing is everyone expects him to be a great spokesman for our side. Yet, in no other situation is someone with such a great motivation to lie through his teeth considered to be credible. He is biased by his own self-interest to make statements that will repudiate prior statements (his blog) made when he was not under duress.
Bazooka Joe71
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I definately have to agree with this...
I also think Zumbo has shown his true colors. What, after 50+ years of gun experience, Fudd has never shot an AR, and now that he said what he truly feels, and people hate him he is all of a sudden going to be enlightened? He wants to be able to keep making money. End of story, thats all he cares about. He wouldn't have called them terrorist rifles in the first place if he didn't believe it.
Quite frankly I'm just tired of hearing about all of this crap now, the damage has been done, and until he fixes it, he should be buried in the dirt and forgotten
Edit: Couldn't have said this better myself:
Weather he is ever forgiven or not. He did cut one huge chunk of whupass he now has to put into the ground.
As has been said "It's a start" and "We need his pr campaign for every reason"
He does have room to earn a new respect from people who shoot EBRs (sedition hammers) and the traditional hunting rifle.
So do we need to poll other gun rag contributors on their thoughts?
As has been said "It's a start" and "We need his pr campaign for every reason"
He does have room to earn a new respect from people who shoot EBRs (sedition hammers) and the traditional hunting rifle.
So do we need to poll other gun rag contributors on their thoughts?
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I don't care if he gets a AR tattoo on his forehead. If he ever gets another job in the industry I'm all over it.
David
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Spot77 said:
Forgive him? Not so quick. OK, he looks or acts like he's on the right path toward forgiveness but I'll withhold judgment on that -- for say -- a year.
Forget the whole affair ever happened. Never. Any question about that? Please re-read the above quote.
Actually, yes, I would. Given the Brady Bunch's efforts to characterize hunting rifles as sniper rifles, having him so publicly associated with them would actually make the Fudds realize that yes, their precious hunting rifles are on the line and Zumbo was damaging to their interests, not just those of the terrorist black rifle crowd. The accusations that Zumbo was an elitist anti at heart would gain great credence because his new best buds had declared war on all firearms ownership, not just those of the "terrorists" who own ARs. It would also serve to insure that those few holdouts who haven't cut their endorsements of Zumbo would do so.
Lupinus
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when his explination is more then "I was tired and should have gone to bed" I will believe this isn't simply PR
I have to wonder if the Nuge has a sick sense of humor lending him a pink AR though
"OK I'll help you out but you get the pink one as punishment"
I have to wonder if the Nuge has a sick sense of humor lending him a pink AR though
"OK I'll help you out but you get the pink one as punishment"
Highland Ranger
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I don't buy it - the guy's a hack.
However, I'd rather have him posing with pink AR's than PETA or Sarah Brady.
However, I'd rather have him posing with pink AR's than PETA or Sarah Brady.
koja48
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Well, thanks Biker! Smartest man I ever knew.
Well, thanks Biker! Smartest man I ever knew.
ryoushi
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He said he had some bear hunting to do this spring. A picture of Zumbo and an AR in .458 SOCOM smiling next to a nice big(dead)black bear would go a long way.
bogie
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You know, I hope that some of you guys don't have kids.
Because EVERYONE does unforgiveable stuff at one time or another.
You forgive 'em.
Or, in the case of some people, they shoot 'em, and some poor soul in the next trailer over.
Lemme spell it out: We can have him on our side, as the 67-year-old poster boy of learning about modern boomsticks, or if we ostracize him enough, he just may wander over to Sarah's doublewide and knock on the door. This is an ol' boy who WANTS to be part of the gun culture. Granted, he was highly IGNORANT. Ignorant can be fixed. So do you wanna fix the ignorant, or do you wanna bitch about the past? What's more effective at keeping 2nd amendment rights going?
THINK.
Y'all still haven't stuffed your mad in the "anger" box, have you? Do it, and then go hunting for your "logic" box. THINK, for chrissake. Most of you are allegedly intelligent enough to fill out a 4473 without drooling on it, right? Prove it.
Because EVERYONE does unforgiveable stuff at one time or another.
You forgive 'em.
Or, in the case of some people, they shoot 'em, and some poor soul in the next trailer over.
Lemme spell it out: We can have him on our side, as the 67-year-old poster boy of learning about modern boomsticks, or if we ostracize him enough, he just may wander over to Sarah's doublewide and knock on the door. This is an ol' boy who WANTS to be part of the gun culture. Granted, he was highly IGNORANT. Ignorant can be fixed. So do you wanna fix the ignorant, or do you wanna bitch about the past? What's more effective at keeping 2nd amendment rights going?
THINK.
Y'all still haven't stuffed your mad in the "anger" box, have you? Do it, and then go hunting for your "logic" box. THINK, for chrissake. Most of you are allegedly intelligent enough to fill out a 4473 without drooling on it, right? Prove it.
Bazooka Joe71
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A 3-4 year old kid writing on the walls with a perminant marker, and a Fuddy 67 year old man, set in his ways, saying our EBR's are for "terrorists only" are a bit different don't you think? He's had PLENTY of time to mold his opinion....67 years to be exact. And him picking up a pretty pink EBR and shooting it a couple of times and saying "IM NOW ENLIGHTENED" just doesn't sound sincere to me, especially when its his wallet that was hurt.
Answer me this: If his endorsements weren't dropped, do you think he'd still be singing a different tune?
Doubtful
Feanaro
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Whether he is sincere or not doesn't change much, yet. He has already given the media ammunition. A story about a poor old sportsman being castigated by a bunch of extremist gun nuts. If his conversion makes into into the news, it will look fake to as many outsiders as it does to shooters, even without the slant. But people will think it false for a different reason.
Truthful or not, he had to be brow-beaten into it. Which only looks good to people who think the brow-beaters are right. If he actually wants to undo the damage, he'd better get moving.
Truthful or not, he had to be brow-beaten into it. Which only looks good to people who think the brow-beaters are right. If he actually wants to undo the damage, he'd better get moving.
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