Getting delayed at gun shows.....

You can apply for a Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN) through the FBI NICS. This number is put on the 4473 and used during a NICS check. It won't guarantee that you won't get delayed anymore, but most people in your situation who get UPINs stop getting delayed once they get the number and start using it.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/n...criminal-background-check-system-nics-appeals

Apply to the FBI for a UPIN (Unique Personal Identification Number). Your local FFL should be able to direct you. As I understand it, this appeal includes fingerprints and application (and more I'd guess). Once you get a UPIN, any background checks only goes back to when the UPIN was issued, circumventing a deeper records search which you already passed.

Can you get a CHP that exempts you from the NICS check? That's what we do here in NC.

DustyGmt said:

Vermont doesnt issue a permit of any kind otherwise I would just do that.
Getting the UPIN seems like the best course of action for someone trying to avoid these hassles, thanks fellas that is a solution to the problem however I doubt I will get the UPIN with the fingerprints, etc.... They should produce a definitive go-no go within a few minutes.
I would think that entering your SSN# would make it easy for them to determine who you are regarding your eligibility......

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Can you do an non-resident permit from another state that will satisfy the exemption?

Do you have a good relationship with a local FFL? The firearm could always be transferred to him at the show and you can do the BGC later.

NeuseRvrRat said:

Can you do an non-resident permit fromanother state that will satisfy the exemption?

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Unfortunately the NICS exemption only allows you to use a permit issued by the state where the transfer is taking place.

As a UPIN holder I can tell you it will not guarantee a no-delay status. My experience:

Proceed 75%
Delay 25%

Those aren't bad odds but, at a gun show, 2 hours drive from where I live, no thanks.

In my experience, most customers who have UPINs don't get delayed. But some are like Bikemutt and still get delayed sometimes. You'll never know which category you fall into until you get a UPIN.

I had delays for a few years after I left the army. I had to wait a full 72 for every purchase. It goes through straight away now.

I think narrowed it down to a few possibilities you either share a name with someone who is possibly flagged, you had a sensitive MOS, or someone is trying to "share" your SSN that is flagged.

Having it sent to the LGS for is a good idea IMO.

The longevity of your CCW permit will depend on your local laws/law enforcement. Alabama's is for up to 5 years(I think) and I pay $15 per year of validity to my county sheriff. It varies from county to county as well.

DustyGmt said:

....Going to a gun show is pretty much useless for me because alot of the sellers are traveling from state to state......

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They shouldn't be..........a dealer needs to be licensed in each state where he conducts business.....meaning he needs a licensed premises in that state. ATF regs do not permit a dealer licensed in one state to sell firearms in another state.

Similarly, a nonlicensee cannot sell, trade or transfer a firearm to another nonlicensee who is not a resident of the same state.

NeuseRvrRat said:

Can you get a CHP that exempts you from the NICS check? That's what we do here in NC.

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Many states, in fact I'd say most states, don't do that. TN for instance doesn't. Main reason is their HCP gets renewed every 4-7 years, and lots can change on you becoming a prohibited person in that time frame. That, and the state makes $10 on every background check, and TN is up to around 450,000 so far this year.

HexHead said:

Main reason is their HCP gets renewed every 4-7 years, and lots can change on you becoming a prohibited person in that time frame.

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Texas exempts CHL holders from the NICS check by agreement with the BATFE, because any disqualifying events will cause the state to revoke/suspend the CHL in near realtime. I was/am of the impression that is true in many states, but have no data to back that up.

OP, even though you don't want to send your prints in, that's the only way that the UPIN is issued. The prints are used by the FBI to conduct a full check. Prints are the only way to quickly rule out one John Smith from another. The SSN is NOT a unique identifier as it can be easily spoofed.
I have a common Spanish name, so I would get either conditional/delayed, or outright denied sometimes, due to a nefarious actor sharing the same name. After getting two denials which resulted in having to go through the appeal process, which requires prints, I got fed up and decided to get the UPIN. Now with the UPIN, I've never been denied or delayed. Some days it takes a little longer, but it usually comes back within 5-10 minutes.

I never put my SSN on the 4473, I don't have a UPIN and I have never been delayed,

I guess it helps to have a somewhat unique name.

Now that I live in Texas and have a LTC it's no longer a problem nor a worry.

I had a friend in Oregon who would get delayed every time. He applied for the UPIN, received it and still got delayed every time.

DustyGmt said:

Whenever I buy a gun I get delayed for 2 or 3 days consistently, every time.
Going to a gun show is pretty much useless for me because alot of the sellers are traveling from state to state.
I suppose I could always bring my wife but would that constitute a
"Straw purchase"? I know people dont look fondly on the "here I'll pick it out and have the girl do the paperwork" scenario.
So am I pretty much beat on the gun show circuit? Is there any way around this?
It's kind of ironic how easy purchasing a gun can be portrayed by the "lefties". It can actually be quite an endeavor for some folks.....me.
It's kind of a bummer because I used to love gun shows but after being turned away the last couple times there really is no point.

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I get delayed for 3 working days in gun stores with the "instant" check which could be 5-6 with the weekend for 20 years. I quit the NRA cause they were for that. I will not beg the FBI or no body else for some number. I just do it on Monday so I get the purchase by Friday the most

DustyGmt said:

The delay really takes the wind out of my sails. Like eagerly waiting for a package to come, I have little patience for waiting after a substantial purchase.
I don't want the labor pains just give me the baby. If any of you are like me when I finally decide to purchase something it's usually after many months, weeks, days of obsessing over pictures, options and reviews so when I finally do decide to flop down $1800 on a M1A scout squad I don't wanna wait 3 or however many days....... Oh well, such is life I guess.

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3 days of labor pains....now that is real funny

I'm not a lawyer, but in my understanding, it isn't a straw purchase if you're not prohibited from possessing a firearm. Just be subtle in having your wife buy so you don't raise undue suspicion. If you are - in fact - not prohibited from owning a firearm, you're doing absolutely nothing illegal (keeping in mind I'm not a lawyer) or immoral. It's no different from her gifting you a gun she purchased, with the same legal implications.

I'm not sure if it has to do with certain government offices that might be queried during a NICS check being closed on weekends, or just the higher volume of NICS requests on weekends, but in my experience you're much more likely to be delayed on a weekend than not. For either or both reasons, gun-show purchases are not ideal for someone looking to not get delayed.

EDIT: I've been proved wrong. Disregard.
Like I said - I'm not a lawyer.

Back to the straw purchase deal....my wife usually fills out all the forms....I don't want to tote around two pair of glasses.

I don't think that as long as you can have a gun in the first place you are doing anything wrong.

OP, your wife buying it for you is not a straw purchase if you are not otherwise prohibited by law from buying a gun. It is a gift. That said, there can be legal problems with buying a gun for someone who isn't otherwise prohibited. Even though technically it may not be a straw purchase, if I was walking through a gun show and saw one I knew my bud had been looking for, I may run into trouble buying it for him and having him pay me for it later. It all hinges on the question on the 4473 that asks if I am the actual buyer of the gun. If I answer yes, knowing full well I am buying for my bud who will pay me later, I may have lied on the form. The only difference in that scenario and the below scenario is that I would have bought it with my own money and been reimbursed later. In the below scenario the purchaser was given money before the purchase.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/supreme-court-tightens-definition-straw-purchase