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Sure I can.Nobody can deny that the sig p365 has more problems than the Glock 43.
Gotta be paying attention ...
Sure I can.Nobody can deny that the sig p365 has more problems than the Glock 43.
All guns have their problems, but the sig p365 has had more than the g43 on every source of social media and gun forum I’ve come across. There’s guys who have tested 2 or 3 p365’s and still have problems. Not condemning the pistol as I think it holds ingenious design features that make it one of the smallest 9mm pistols, let alone one that holds 10 rounds. But the engineering of this pistol is far from over and proven to be a harder task than expected. I will own one eventually, but not until I’m satisfied with the durability part of the p365’s track record, which seems to be nearingSure I can.
Gotta be paying attention ...
The P365 has been an outstanding sales success for SIG. I have no idea what the actual sales numbers are, but it is off the charts.
They also hear and read social media and hear all the reports on the "failures". I am sure they are going to get it right. It is too important of a product for them not to.
I know a couple of guys with them as well, 1 of which had to go back to sig for the same problem that’s been reported since day one all over social media and forums. I get what you’re saying and all but your personal experience and those you know are a lot smaller sample size. If you’re not willing to place any confidence in the sincerity of some fellow forum members or trustworthy YouTube channels then why even frequent these platforms? For example I know a guy who has 2 Remington R51’s that have been flawless, but do I just throw away all the data on the failures of the gun because experiences of the guy I knows sample of 2? It’s a well known fact a majority of gun writers give positive glowing reviews but I’ve always thought you get more of the real world performance data from guys on the forums. I guess we’ve faced with the dilemma of either choosing to believe in the small circle and sample size of our personal experiences and those we know or broaden our sample size with forum members and honest Youtubers like MAC who actually test guns endurance.Eh, I own one. I know several guys that own one and am familiar with their experiences. I do, however, place my experience and the experiences of those I know, over the "track record" of social media and gun forums that I've come across.
Sig is pretty much the king of rolling changes to new designs or “volunteer upgrades” without calling it a recall. With that said I still love my p320c as much as I did when I first bought it. I’m going to get the p365 maybe at the end of the year, by then all the rolling changes/upgrades should be complete.I picked G43, which I already own.
I was intrigued by the P365, it seems to be a great design. Handling one at a gun shop, however, the grip seems too small to me. I would like to try shooting one at some point.
Regarding quality control, SIG does seem to frequently have issues with the rollout of new models. I bought a P938 when they first came out, it had problems that required a trip back to SIG, later parts replacement from SIG, and a bit of tinkering on my own to get it to run right. To their credit, they seem to handle the issues as they come up and make the needed changes, it is just unfortunate that they can't do a bit more testing before releasing a new design to the market..
And I get what you're saying ... I absolutely place confidence in the sincerity of many of my fellow forum members here, especially the ones who've helped me out and with whom I've gone shooting and socialized. However, the anonymity factor of forum makes it very easy for the biased, the haters to come out and continually regurgitate the same old tripe, much of it anecdotal, third-hand, usually totally devoid of actual experience, and lacking varying degrees of actual truth. With regard to SIG, I follow closely the SIG forums and know who the experienced voices of reason are ... I've been privileged to meet, shoot with and listen to actual factory representatives (perk of the job) and know people who know people in the industry, so the bottom line for me is, I take a lot of what I read on internet gun forums with a grain of salt (and occasionally a shot of tequila).I get what you’re saying and all but your personal experience and those you know are a lot smaller sample size. If you’re not willing to place any confidence in the sincerity of some fellow forum members or trustworthy YouTube channels then why even frequent these platforms?
Gotcha. Just on a side note here I’ve had good “luck” with the Taurus handguns I’ve shot and owned and the few people I know who own them have had the same “luck” as me. However the internet condemns Taurus probably more than any other manufacturer. My good friend who owns a gunshop in southwest Ohio says Taurus guns are by far the most problematic guns he sells and so does shooters of Maumee gun range that I frequent who only rent guns and range time. Neither of which is trying to sell me a gun. My personal sample size of what I’ve experienced and those I’ve personally known experienced is small compared to the guys who either sell or rent hundreds of guns a month who say otherwise. I find high volume ranges and gun shops are the best source of real world performance, of course if they are reputable and not trying to “sell” you a gun.And I get what you're saying ... I absolutely place confidence in the sincerity of many of my fellow forum members here, especially the ones who've helped me out and with whom I've gone shooting and socialized. However, the anonymity factor of forum makes it very easy for the biased, the haters to come out and continually regurgitate the same old tripe, much of it anecdotal, third-hand, usually totally devoid of actual experience, and lacking varying degrees of actual truth. With regard to SIG, I follow closely the SIG forums and know who the experienced voices of reason are ... I've been privileged to meet, shoot with and listen to actual factory representatives (perk of the job) and know people who know people in the industry, so the bottom line for me is, I take a lot of what I read on internet gun forums with a grain of salt (and occasionally a shot of tequila).
You have a point there, gotta find the happy median between the fanbois and haters.Brand loyalty, bias, ego, all kind of stuff that creates unproductive and unsubstantiated rhetoric, so in the handgun world, either the fanboi or hater camps manifest themselves quickly. Strange we don't see as much when talking about hunting, black powder or reloading, much more friendly tribal interaction there.
When it really comes down to which is better, it’s more of a personal choice. Both guns are well made.
I picked the G43 because I already have one and I’m not a fan of small guns. I have a G48 in my sights right now and think that will be my next gun.
I can see how the Sig would be appealing to guys like Jeb, that like small guns.
I say the Glock 43 because, I already have one.
I got to fondle a G43X about an hour ago at a LGS, and I must say it feels really good in the hand. However, as mentioned, the grip is substantially longer than that of the P365, and so it really is no comparison. The G43X is much closer in size to the Shield with the 8 round magazine.
I am one that does like the fact that it has night sights, so a bit more on the price is OK with me. I also like (Love) the large front sight (Similar to the XS Big Dot) on the P-365. As I have posted, I can see these sights well enough to shoot the gun very, very, well even without my readers, which is important to me because I can't ask the perp to wait for me (Like Robin Williams) to put them on.If one values worthless night sights, so called the Sig represents better value for $ spent
It seems you would at least shoot the guns before making any decisions.
Old news, Old Guy. Problems were addressed. Gotta keep up, bro.I also have a G43. Watched a couple of revues, on the Sig 365. Sever primer drag and trigger broke?
I love these comparisons!
Concealability = "Good" (Notice that they did not even spell "concealability" correctly!!! )
Defense Factor = 81%
Where do they come up with these "numbers"? What does "81% defense factor" even mean??? Hard facts are OK, but some of these categories are qualitative for sure. I get that with the "total capacity" number they decided to stick with the stock offering (10+1) so they can compare standard size dimensions, but that is not the total picture since SIG offers a 12+1 configuration and I am sure someone will do the same for the Glock.
Your comment about shooting both guns before making decisions is the right answer. Always.
If you can read, they will tell you how it is calculated. The Section with the title How handgun rankings are calculated .
It sounds like you are not interested in using Genitron. If so then be my guest and move on.
I am sure they will reimburse you, if not 100% satisfied. (On, I forgot, it is free to use other than logging in.)