dogtown tom
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Also restated in Ruling 2010-6 State of ResidenceAbout the college student thing:.....
Also restated in Ruling 2010-6 State of ResidenceAbout the college student thing:.....
About the college student thing:
27 C.F.R. 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS
An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location off-campus during the school term.
ATF Rul. 80-21
[Status of ruling: Active]
The Bureau has been asked to determine the State of residence of out-of-State college students for purposes of the Gun Control Act of 1968. “State of residence” is defined by regulation in 27 C.F.R. 178.11 as the State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.
Applying the above example to out-of- State college students it is held, that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time out- of-State college students actually reside in their home State they are considered residents of their home State.
Not this again. Proof of residence documents are required to be government-issued. Period. Read the instructions on the 4473 and also ATF Ruling 2010-6.None of the documents were required to be government issued documents.
Not this again. Proof of residence documents are required to be government-issued. Period. Read the instructions on the 4473 and also ATF Ruling 2010-6.
This is the second thread where you’ve repeated this bad information, and it’s irresponsible of you. If your dealer previously let you use non-government-issued documents, he was wrong.
We’ve repeatedly shown you both an official ATF Ruling and also the instructions on the 4473 that say you’re wrong. You are irresponsibly spreading bad information. Please stop. EDIT: I guess it was all in this thread.The rule is literally posted right above. If you don't want to believe it, fine. I am not buying guns from you. If you want to ignore a law that is on you and dogtown whats his face.
We’ve repeatedly shown you both an official ATF Ruling and also the instructions on the 4473 that say you’re wrong. You are irresponsibly spreading bad information. Please stop.
Probably the most ignorant post you've written yet.No, you are incorrect. Rule, college students can buy firearms out of their home state. If all documents must be "government issue" please tell me what educational institution is a government entity. Only ones I know of are the military service academies. You are wrong. And you have been wrong. I am not going to waste any more time with you to prove a law exists.
I'll tell you a couple of educational institutions that are government entities:
University of Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Florida..........and literally hundreds more are.
The government issued document that shows buyers name and address doesn't have to be from his college or university. It could be from a government utility that you dont think exists.
About the college student thing:
27 C.F.R. 178.11: MEANING OF TERMS
An out-of-State college student may establish residence in a State by residing and maintaining a home in a college dormitory or in a location off-campus during the school term.
ATF Rul. 80-21
[Status of ruling: Active]
The Bureau has been asked to determine the State of residence of out-of-State college students for purposes of the Gun Control Act of 1968. “State of residence” is defined by regulation in 27 C.F.R. 178.11 as the State in which an individual regularly resides or maintains a home. The regulation also provides an example of an individual who maintains a home in State X and a home in State Y. The individual regularly resides in State X except for the summer months and in State Y for the summer months of the year. The regulation states that during the time the individual actually resides in State X he is a resident of State X, and during the time he actually resides in State Y he is a resident of State Y.
Applying the above example to out-of- State college students it is held, that during the time the students actually reside in a college dormitory or at an off-campus location they are considered residents of the State where the dormitory or off-campus home is located. During the time out- of-State college students actually reside in their home State they are considered residents of their home State.
And most colleges won’t let an out of state student pay in-state tuition even if they are renting an apartment and if they stay over the summer. The rule where I went was that you had to prove you would still be living there even if you weren’t attending college. So everybody has their own particular set of rules even within “official” bodies and one doesn’t necessarily impact the other. I was somewhat surprised that ATF takes such a liberal stance on residency for college students given their rather strict prohibitions against private firearm sales across state lines.However, most states require that once you have been in the state for 90 days you must obtain a DL (assuming you drive) from their state as well as register your vehicle in the state as well.
YET, it has been upheld that out-of-state college students are NOT required to do this, for as long as they are actively enrolled in the school. Even if they don’t return to their home state during the summer, and don’t enroll in the summer semester.
None of those are government entities. They are state funded and not run by a section of government.
Really?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_System
The University of Texas System (UT System) is a government entity of the state of Texas that includes 14 higher educational institutions throughout the state including eight universities and six health institutions. The UT System is headquartered in Downtown Austin, and has a total enrollment of nearly 240,000 students (largest university system in Texas) and employs 21,000 faculty and more than 83,000 health care professionals,researchers and support staff.....
Thank you.You are proof positive that just because someone holds an FFL, means they know the rules.
No sir, in post #35 YOU wrote:Earlier you said utilities did not count as residency documents. Try to have some consistency with your wrong information.
And most colleges won’t let an out of state student pay in-state tuition even if they are renting an apartment and if they stay over the summer. The rule where I went was that you had to prove you would still be living there even if you weren’t attending college. So everybody has their own particular set of rules even within “official” bodies and one doesn’t necessarily impact the other. I was somewhat surprised that ATF takes such a liberal stance on residency for college students given their rather strict prohibitions against private firearm sales across state lines.
Clearly that's not what the ATF Ruling covers.However, as an example, if one were living in one state and driving across the border to another state to attend school, then that might become an issue. Such as in Texarkana Texas, where students can be living in Texas and attend school on the Arkansas side. Interesting thing there is, there is a gun store that operates two locations one on the Texas side one on the Arkansas side.