Why is Noveske so expensive comparing to the other brands

I can’t say if they’re better or not. I can say they cost that much because people are willing to pay that much.

So the short answer is some think they are worth the money.

Only you can decide if they’re worth it. Look at features, compare and then decide.

A 16" barrel with a rifle gas system will have the gas bock at the muzzle.. Google Dissapator AR.

https://www.del-ton.com/Custom-Upper-p/cu112.htm

Price out an AR build with only top tier components.

Good barrels, BCGs and triggers make a budget AR build quickly into an over $1000 build.

That is all these higher dollar AR manufacturers are doing.

Have they reached and exceeded the law of diminishing returns?

You be the judge.

I can’t say if they’re better or not. I can say they cost that much because people are willing to pay that much.

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And that is true for ANYTHING...........just look at folks willing to pay 5X the price for toilet paper or sanitizer right now..............no matter the product, the buyer sets the price.

You can get a Larue Kit for $800. Add a stripped lower for $50.

Just need a upper receiver block that holds the upper by the pin holes. A brass punch and a claw hammer. A basic AR armorers wrench for the stock. And a socket wrench. Kit includes the nut wrench, and the allen keys for the gas block IIRC.

Easiest build kit in the world. The 14.5" is available pinned and welded.

Its because they are infused with unicorn hugs.

earlthegoat2 said:

Price out an AR build with only top tier components.

Good barrels, BCGs and triggers make a budget AR build quickly into an over $1000 build.

That is all these higher dollar AR manufacturers are doing.

Have they reached and exceeded the law of diminishing returns?

You be the judge.

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It is real easy to get on Brownell's website and play on their "Builder". It automatically puts the items on a shopping list along with the prices. It will add up fast.

I worked with a guy who owned a Noveske. We ended up at the range one afternoon. It was a nice rifle. It could shoot better than he was able to. That being said, I don't think I could tell the difference between his $2,200 rifle and a $1,200 rifle. If it were my choice, I'd save a little on the rifle and put it toward a scope.

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''Unicorn hugs'' is slang for the rubber buffer under the extractor. A $0.35 part that's priceless.

My Eotech XPS-0 is the ultimate home defense optic. Super fast, easy, reliable, and tough. So what's the catch? Can be a bit dim in direct bright light outdoors, so you'll need quality Troy or Larue flip up iron sights for those conditions. Expensive for quality irons. A Larue QD riser mount is nice. Oh, and it eats CR123 batteries too much.

I moved the Eotech to another AR, and put an olde fashioned Aimpoint Comp M3 on my best AR. In a Larue lower 1/3 cowitness mount of course.

No idea on the noveske, I've got a ddm4v5 that is a very well built, rock solid rifle that I have zero complaints with. I'd just buy the dd and spend the rest on mags and ammo. But I'm no AR guru and I don't want to build anything.

You really have to piece together your own AR to appreciate the (cost of) more premium builds. I went into my first one wanting the lightest 6.5 Grendel I could make. I started with cheapest lower and LPK sans trigger. I think I had right at $100 into the complete lower with a light stock. Can’t remember but it was just a tube and 90 degree plate at the back.

I started pricing out barrels. I was led to the JP barrel being a really light one. IIRC, no one knew at the time which was lightest but the JP was right up there. It was $500.

I ended up buying a complete upper from PSA for $350. Pretty much the textbook definition of sticker shock.

I think that is how a lot of builds go for folks. They have an ideal in their head and then compromises start sounding real nice.

If I were to attend a carbine course I would not have a problem dishing out $1500 for a decent rifle. As of now I don’t put nearly enough lead down range to justify the differences and improvements.

it's a premier brand. you pay for a brand. see mercedes, apple, gucci, ghiardelli, oakley, etc. I personally wouldn't pay for a noveske brand, but I'm not their market. It's not bad stuff, but the value of it is....debatable.

taliv said:

Back when noveske was still alive, he did things you couldn’t find on other ARs.
Most notably was a double chrome lined barrel that had a great reputation for accuracy. Another was his pinned switchblock innovation. His ARs held up very well in carbine classes unlike most brands.

And he typically used the vltor upper which was well regarded.

Today nobody seems to care about chrome lining as everyone wants a different treatment on their bore like nitriding. And there are more sources of quality adjustable pinned gas blocks. Etc.

so while my go to carbine is still a noveske, it’s only because of when I built it. I wouldn’t start with a noveske today. But I’m not going to say they’re overpriced crap either

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I have a Noveske and it’s been my go to AR for a really long time. It’s a Recce.

Today I’d go with DD or BCM for a new one if I were a new AR buyer. While that one is still very good, a new Noveske’s doesn’t really offer anything that you can’t get with those two for less money.

My Noveskes are older, I got them from John. He was a perfectonist and strove to have zero defects on the materials and builds. He used little hidden tweaks I have found on fitting cam pins, and staking and made double damn sure the Bolt heads had full contact at proper head space on his barrels. His barrels are superb, at one point the best non-competition barrel to be had. . He tuned his milspec triggers to have less creep and were lower range of let off weight. The premium gas block perfectly aligned on a PROPER sized port for barreel length . All his supplier were constantly scrutinized for QC and were tested to be such to Johns specs. Other than that they were pretty Mil spec
I have an 13.7" Infidel with a pinned flash suppressor to get 16" and a two position gas block for subsonic rounds - it works ! I put at one time a 25Poer scope on it to see what it would do with Black hill match grade ammo and it was less than 1/2 MOA out to 300 yards. I also have what was a Diplomat Pistol with a 7.5" barrel , that now has a 9.3" barrel with aPIG on it because I thought the 7.5 was too short . It did work flawlessly with the 7.5 original barrel and a Flaming Pig on it. Now it is flawless without a Pig on it ! It's very accurate but not like the infidel, I recently put a S&B SBA4 brace on it after have a padded pistol buffer tube for ten years ! John insisted I get an early Over sized buffer tube on it before he would sell it to me as a pistol, they were only regularly sold as an SBR at the time. In short the Noveskes are premium pieces with great customer support. Also all the little parts have the novesle logo or are colored red ect.

Here is an interesting review with John RIP

Well, as far as opinions go, I'll answer your question. I haven't priced a Noveske or a Daniel Defense, for that matter, in a long time; but I know their prices are outrageous. Is a Noveske worth it's price tag? No, absolutely not. Daniel Defense? I think their prices are a bit over inflated, but yes, they are good rifles and aren't too over priced.

Why do these companies get to charge so much? Because of the name and what it means. You know, or should be able to know, that some of the best parts available were used in putting together the AR.

The most important parts, the barrel and bolt carrier groups are top grade. The barrels are cold hammer forged and chrome lined (not for accuracy, but longevity). The bolt and carrier groups and made of 8620 (I believe) steel and Carpenter 158 steel, respectively and then are treated. Heat treatment, shot peening, magnetic particle inspection, high pressure testing, blah, blah, blah.

As for the other stuff, well, 7075 rather than 6061 buffer tubes, upper and lower receivers (7075) are to spec, which means that the holes are the size they are supposed to be and where they're supposed to be. Gas tubes are higher quality. Springs and pins are less likely to fail. Steel gas blocks and so on. For every part for which there is a lesser quality part that could be used, the more expensive quality part is used.

Will all of this mean anything to you? I don't know. How much will you be shooting it? If it's going to be a closet queen and you might put 1000 rounds a year through it, you'll likely be well served by a basic model from Palmetto State Armory for less than $1000. Actually, I've seen PSA firearms run their butts off. Of course, I've seen some screwed up stuff come from PSA, but they took care of it in good fashions.

If you're gonna shoot it a lot, my first choices, if I was going to buy a rifle, would be either a Daniel Defense or a Bravo Company. The Bravo Company is definitely worth the price. The DD is a bit overpriced. The Noveske is absolutely as good, but over priced. I'm just not aware of anything the Criterion barrel (I think) that Noveske uses or their bolt groups will do that Bravo Company or DD won't.

If you think that spending a large amount of money means that it won't break, you're wrong. Anything mechanical that is used, and sometimes not used, needs to be maintained. Springs need to be checked, gas rings need to be replaced, ejectors and their springs, extractors and their springs, bolts need to be checked for wear.

If you have an unlimited amount of funds, get a Noveske. I'd do it because I'd know I'm getting quality and the money doesn't mean anything.

If you have a budget and are trying to get something you can rely on, don't forget, you will also needs mags and ammo for practice. Does the rifle you're looking at come with open/iron sights? If not, you'll need those and they aren't cheap. How about the red dot? I hope you aren't going to be one of those guys that buys an expensive rifle and then puts a $100 optic on it. I run a 1.5X ACOG and that cost more than it cost me to build my rifle. A bullet proof red dot (well, as bullet proof as they can be), will run you $500+.

My point is that the actual firearm is but one element of the equipment that you'll need. If you're on a budget, spend wisely. You'd be much better served with a $1500 rifle with a good quality red dot than you would be with a $2000+ rifle with inferior sights. If your sight goes out, the rifle is almost useless.

Noveske makes kind of a boutique rifle. Very nice well made rifles. I had a basic N4 but ended up selling it because it wasn't doing anything my other "basic" rifles couldn't do and I sold it to fund a precision rifle. Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic rifle but I had other good rifles as well and wanted the most money to help fund the bolt gun. After John died the company had some drama and several people left and started their own companies. Since then they dont have the following they used to.

Noveske has several models under 2k and Im not sure what rifle you are looking at that has a carbine gas, unless you are looking at a short barrel.

But for 2200 Id be shopping for a Knights Armament. Their rifles have legit upgrades like their E3 bolt.

If all you are wanting is a good defensive rifle, there are much cheaper options that are every bit as good of a fighting rifle. BCM, Sons Of Liberty Gunworks (SOLGW), Sionics, Daniel Defense... can all be had for 1000-1500 bucks and serve you very well. Military Arms Channel is currently doing a long term test on a 1300ish dollar BCM. They are firing the rifle without cleaning or adding more lubricant to see how long it will last without malfunctioning. I think they are past the 7000 round mark right now.

Get a BCM, an aimpoint and a couple cases of ammo. IMO